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That was REALLY clever, fred.
I'm calling your bluff. SC pulls out what he doesn't agree with and exploits it without giving proper context. What has SC contributed to the sport? Who have you coached to greatness?
Like Lydiard, you can't take everything written or said by someone and blindly accept that it will work for you. For some it will; and for others, some adjustments are needed.
Some guys said that I made the greatest b-ball player to come out of my town, but I didn't. He made himself. If you don't have the drive to do everything possible to succeed, you won't. That means shooting 4 hours a day, and run 17 sories for a workout.
As for Sage, he made the Hanson's team, survived the training, and ran a marathon at 5:12 a mile. How many people do you know who did that?
What do you think going through that process brings to the table.
"Like Lydiard, you can't take everything written or said by someone and blindly accept that it will work for you" Well, you can explore it, and see what it does.
I asked one of the Hansons if Brian Sell ran a 150 mile week, how many of them could he do at sub 6 pace. He said 100.
I didn't really believe that the whole team trained that hard, but Sage said that he was asked to run 6's on his recovery even if he wanted an easier pace.
I coached your momma to greatness.
Trumpeter wrote:
I am not sure about this. The Maffetone formula of 180- age as a target for training heart heart rate seems to be giving very different levels of intensities for different people. My personal feeling is that that this formula results in running at a pretty hard pace for a daily training run. In my 20s running at 150 to 160 bpm would have been pretty tough - it would have been a threshold run every day. Even now in my 40s running at ~140 bpm is not an easy run at all, and while it would not be a threshold run, I would definitely be pushing the pace to run at that heart rate. I am open to the possibilty that maybe running like this without adding on hard interval workouts is a way of improving running fitness effectively for some people.
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This is exactly right, and it is alone sufficient to demonstrate that the guy has no idea what he's doing. He talks about the importance of easy training, but if you're a youngish runner and you apply his heart rate formulas (including the modifications), you'd be absolutely hammering your easy runs. I'm a 30-ish year old 2:30 marathoner. 150 bpm would be very close to marathon pace for me in cool weather (at least at the start--it would drift a lot higher throughout the course of the race). I do my "easy" runs at 130, and my "recovery" runs at 120 or even lower.
Has this been posted. Apologies if so.
Your comments alone tell me that you have no idea what you're talking about regarding PM - not even a clue.
Where does PM say to run at your MAF pace ALL of the time?
shug wrote:
Your comments alone tell me that you have no idea what you're talking about regarding PM - not even a clue.
Where does PM say to run at your MAF pace ALL of the time?
And where does Maf say his MAF program is for elite marathoners?
"MA: Some people always trained at too high a heart rate and never fully reached their potential. Chances are that they would, like Jim Fixx, have a heart attack because they overstressed their body all the time."
What an idiot. Thanks for posting that.
I'm not privy to viewing the day-to-day training of elites; but from ONLY a training perspective, I'd say what Geoffrey Mutai claimed to do for training was pretty darn close.
shug wrote:
I'm not privy to viewing the day-to-day training of elites; but from ONLY a training perspective, I'd say what Geoffrey Mutai claimed to do for training was pretty darn close.
Boston Globe:
Imagine running almost 25 miles on hilly terrain at an altitude of 8,200 feet (2,500 meters) at a pace that drops quickly from 7:15-minute miles to 5:35-minute miles. This is a typical Thursday during the most intense weeks of Mutai’s training cycle. Every Thursday, he gets up around 4 a.m., eats a light breakfast and begins his long run around dawn. Mutai said the routine ‘’is like the day of a race.’’ The early start is necessary because of the sun’s intensity at such high altitude.
Tuesday afternoons include a session with 1 kilometer intervals repeatedly run at a 4:50-mile pace, slightly slower than the 4:42-mile pace Mutai ran last year in Boston. Between each fast kilometer, there is one minute of relatively slow recovery running.
‘’That program is so hard,’’ said Mutai. ‘’That’s the toughest. Sometimes we are tired, but we must finish the program.’’
Mutai also runs a speed workout on Saturday with shorter, two-minute repeats at roughly the same pace."
Hahaha
Its a good thing that Mark Allen didn't do the Mutai workouts. His heart might have blown up.
Did Craig Alexander set his record with heart rate obsession?
Crow beats sparrow wrote:
Did Craig Alexander set his record with heart rate obsession?
He's not worried about having a heart attack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD_jTRtDO8ASo which is it fred; MAF training is running too hard or too easy. You seem to be flip-flopping on us.
And since you are "all knowing" on MAF: at a MAF heart rate, how much slower than MP does PM say it should be or one can train themselves to get to?
Also, since when was history re-written that Mark Allen's training was easy?
shug wrote:
So which is it fred; MAF training is running too hard or too easy. You seem to be flip-flopping on us.
And since you are "all knowing" on MAF: at a MAF heart rate, how much slower than MP does PM say it should be or one can train themselves to get to?
Also, since when was history re-written that Mark Allen's training was easy?
He's saying that it's too obsessive about one factor.
History was re-written when Allen dropped out a 18 miles because he hadn't trained hard enough for the event.
fred - It is clear that you are head and shoulders above the rest of us
Can you share your training methodology to all of us young grasshoppers?
BTW, how many beers have you had today?
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So which is it fred; MAF training is running too hard or too easy. You seem to be flip-flopping on us.
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Nope, you are making that up.
fred wanna be wrote:
fred - It is clear that you are head and shoulders above the rest of us
Can you share your training methodology to all of us young grasshoppers?
BTW, how many beers have you had today?
Beer is for kids. Real men do dimethyl tryptamine.
I have no idea what you're saying regarding... "obsessing about one factor"...
If you think PM is obsessive about ONE thing, it's clear to me that you're not educated on this matter.
Is it true that ONE open marathon is a man's legacy? I'm not following your logic.
Under this logic, you'd be inferring Puskedra didn't train hard enough for New York; though perhaps just a little harder than MA...
shug wrote:
And since you are "all knowing" on MAF: at a MAF heart rate, how much slower than MP does PM say it should be or one can train themselves to get to?
It doesn't matter: I reject everything that that chiropractor says.
He should stick to giving people back rubs.