MATT MF CENTROWITZ

His mother is from Guyana and of Afro-Indian descent (more Indian than Afro).

Thank you. Let me just add a confirmation to this.

Mr Combinatorics, can you please apply your logic to the real world instead of your fantasy world? The goal of every single runner in this race was not to entertain you. Every single on of these men wanted to win or win a medal. Their decision making algorithm will be based 100% on axioms based on this premise.

Maybe spend some time studying applied mathematics instead of combinatorics so that you can understand the world around you a little bit better.

A few points. First, we should not be surprised. Centro has 2 top four places at olympics and the same at world champs. He shows up. Second, Salazaar's runners are tactically sound and train for those tactics. I bet Centro ran 30 meters less than Kiprop by grabbing rail. Third, almost no chance Centro wins a rested bell to bell race with those guys. Last year he set his pr with just under 331 and was nowhere near the leaders. But in a meet with three rounds and no rabbitts the Kiprops of the world can be had.

Probably only of interest to me - from 2:56.0 to 3:49.0, he took exactly 200 steps (226.4 spm) with an average length of 6'10.4".

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HSers don't close in 50.6.

Time is meaningless. Medals are everything[/quote]

Time is meaningless? I'd say that time, along with place, contribute to the foundation of the sport. Try to think before you post; I know it's hard, but try.

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We can only wonder now how another fast finisher Elijah Manangoi might have fared in this race. But avoiding injury is part of the sport and sadly he bowed out after qualifying for the semis with a 2nd place in his heat. (He was a DNS for the semis.)

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Areva Saint-Denis 2011-07-08: 1500 m: 3:34.69 (11) VS 3:33.04 (2)

WC Daegu 2011-09-03: 1500 m: 3:36.08 (3) VS 3:35.69 (1)

Pre Eugene OR 2012-06-01: One Mile: 3:57.44 (8) VS 3:49.40 (1)

OG London 2012-08-07: 1500 m: 3:35.17 (4) VS 3:43.83 (12)

VD Bruxelles 2012-09-07: 1500 m: 3:32.47 (4) VS 3:32.88 (5)

Pre Eugene OR 2013-06-01: One Mile: 3:51.79 (10) VS 3:49.53 (2)

Herc Monaco 2013-07-19: 1500 m: 3:33.58 (8) VS 3:27.72 (1)

WC Moskva 2013-08-18: 1500 m: 3:36.78 (2) VS 3:36.28 (1)

WK Zürich 2013-08-29: 1500 m: 3:36.70 (12) VS 3:33.78 (6)

Pre Eugene OR 2014-05-31: One Mile: 3:50.53 (8) VS 3:50.26 (7)

Herc Monaco 2014-07-18: 1500 m: 3:31.09 (9) VS 3:28.45 (2)

Sainsbury's Birmingham 2014-08-24: One Mile: 3:53.46 (9) VS 3:51.89 (1)

Pre Eugene OR 2015-05-30: One Mile: 3:51.20 (2) VS 3:51.25 (3)

Herc Monaco 2015-07-17: 1500 m: 3:30.40 (10) VS 3:26.69 (1)

Sainsbury's London 2015-07-25: One Mile: 3:55.03 (2) VS 3:54.87 (1)

WC Beijing 2015-08-30: 1500 m: 3:36.13 (8) VS 3:34.40 (1)

OG Río de Janeiro 2016-08-20: 1500 m: 3:50.00 (1) VS 3:50.87 (6)

Matthew "DEVASTATED" Centrowitz total wins: 4

Asbel "MF" Kiprop total wins: 13

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3:50.0 wrote:

3:50.01 LOL .... HS slow time

You'd look like a fool trying to run a 3:40 and getting out kicked by the entire field

I know I'm comparing different distances, but when I think of drama, Castro in 1988 immediately comes to mind:

Seeing the emotion that comes from him after being the only man brave enough to chase after Ngugi is heartbreaking and completely different to anything seen in this race.

As for the positioning in the race, Centro and Makhloufi have good spots, but it looks like Willis is boxed in around 6th place at the bell and even falls back into 7th. In the last 50 meters or so, he is fortunate enough that a gap opens between Kiprop and Makhloufi that he is able to squeeze through. If Makhloufi had stayed the same pace as Kiprop, then Willis would have been blocked from passing Kiprop and might not have even medalled. But that doesn't even account for the fact that Kiprop, Iguider, and Souleiman all had good positions at the final 100 and lost because they were outkicked. So it looks like positioning wasn't everything but more of who trained their kick the best.

Again, I know this race is not the same distance, but it showcases beautiful tactics, a truly exhilarated stadium, and one of the best races of all time:

Mottram positions himself perfectly covering ever move made by the Kenyans, outlasting their assaults to break him to come in 2nd. This is a race that is tactical and exciting, a race that gives me chills watching it, not what we saw in the 1500m yesterday.

I wasn't telling anyone how to be tactical. I was only stating my opinion that a tactical race should be comprised of more than positioning at the final lap. It seems a little simple to me compared to say the Kenyans who would dominate fields together as they introduced surges, took turns leading, and tried to break their opponents physically and mentally.

I never said nor did I imply that the goal of these runners was to entertain me; I did say that, as a viewer, this race was not exciting because of how they ran in it. Those two statements are different from each other. I know their goal was to medal, but I don't understand why every single athlete in the field would want to leave it up to only 400m to decide if they can medal. Surely some of them must know that their kick isn't as strong and would try to run the kick out of the others, so even though their only goal is to medal, at least one of them should have tried to take it out faster knowing that they would not be able to outkick the others.

It's funny you say that because I'm actually a physicist, about as applied in mathematics as you can get. Even so, combinatorics has many real world applications, so I don't know why you think that it is purely theoretical. I don't think trying to insult me is really productive in this discussion, especially if you are going to make assumptions about me when you know nothing about who I am. I am open to different points of view, but it makes it difficult to take them seriously when they are filled with personal attacks instead of counterarguments.

When are his next races? Said in the quick NBC interview he's got a couple more and is hoping to make a run at the 1500 AR.

I just saw his interview as well and I thought he said he was going for the Latin American 1500 record. Is he latino? Or, does he consider himself latino?

Far weaker competition? Why do people lie to prove their point?

2016:

Centro 3:30.40

Makhloufi 3:28.75

Willis 3:29.66

Souleiman 3:29.58

Iguider 3:28.79

Kiprop 3:26.69

Bustos 3:34.77

Blankenship 3:35.02

Gregson 3:31.06

Brannen 3:34.22

Musagala 3:35.02

Grice 3:33.60

Ronald Kwemboi 3:28.81

2004:

Guerrouj 3:26.00

Bernard Lagat 3:26.34

Rui Silva 3:30.07

Kiptanui 3:30.04

Heshko 3:30.33

East 3:32.37

Estevez 3:30.57

Liefers 3:32.89

Kaouch 3:31.10

Wendimu 3:31.13

Boulahfane 3:32.44

Songok 3:30.99

You can decide. 2004 had tons of 3:30/31 guys.

2016 had 6 sub 3:30 guys.

btw - those are lifetime PRs for the 2004 guys...not necessarily PRs on race day.

Ok look it really depends how you decide to define "weaker". Clearly, me and you have different opinions on this. That's ok.

For example, I do not see the difference between 3:29.6 and 3:30.04 as being significant.

What I will say is unfortunately Grice, Blankenship, Bustos, Brannen and Musagala would never have made the 2004 final. The entire field had run 3:32 or faster is appears. El G also had another 3:26 runner to compete with. Kiprop is the fastest in the field by 2+ entire seconds.

Yes well done! To the time whiners, who would you blame for not winning a race? A person who can run 3:30 but jogs at the back and never goes hard or the 3:40 runner who controls the whole race, gets in all the right places at all the right times, and closes in 50? If Kiprop or Souliman wanted to win, they should have run 3:30! There was no rule against it, they just decided not to do it. And Centro outsprinted Makloukfi and Iguider which is nothing to sneeze it.