Are "flat-earthers" an actual thing?

Chip Pringle wrote:

I'm now a Pringle-Earther. Thank you, Pringle Can Johnson for your contribution. You are an inspiration and truly a god among men.

As a devout Atheist I take umbrage with your praise.

big SNL skit wrote:

Bart Rutan wrote:

When the Rutan Vogager flew around the World in 9 days where did it actually go?

THIS. Not the argument, but the fact that someone on here knows who Rutan is and what the Voyager did was worth getting on here.

Thanks, most people just know me as 'the guy who killed John Denver".

Bart Rutan wrote:

Legit question wrote:

He circumnavigated a circle.

But the spot he took off from don't appear to be on the edges of the circle. Are you sure you're not thinking of a sphere?

See the pic.

Keep in mind who these guys were and what they had just done. They were engineers and scientists who were pretty introverted and definitely not used to large press conferences and all the media hype. Astronauts typically aren't very charismatic. They had also just spent a week in a small spacecraft and then even more time in an isolated decontamination facility, so they had not seen so many other people in one place for what might have been 2-4 weeks. The press conference would have been very stressful, and it doesn't surprise me at all that they would act that way.

During the Apollo 11 Post-Flight Press Conference. Neil Armstrong said that they were not able to see the stars with the naked eye from the surface of the moon, to which Michael Collins looked at him and said you don't remember seeing any? (even though he was allegedly on the command module in orbit and not on the moon?s surface, which was strange). Oddly, in the Apollo 11 Press Conference transcript, Collins? statement was attributed to Buzz Aldrin, perhaps in an attempt to cover for his slip up? Did Armstrong go off script?

However, any professional astronomer will tell you that one can see stars from the surface of the moon much more vividly than from the earth, due to the moon's lack of atmosphere. Even Phil Plait of BadAstronomy.com stated this in a radio debate with Joe Rogan about the moon hoax. This is a huge glaring discrepancy in direct contradiction to what the Apollo 11 astronauts claimed, and has never been resolved. Perhaps it was a huge screw up by Armstrong and Collins during the press conference. Even NASA's chief public defenders such as Phil Plait are at a loss to explain it.

What's more, Michael Collins later contradicted himself about not seeing the stars in his book "Carrying the Fire". On page 221, he wrote:

"My God, the stars are everywhere: above me on all sides, even below me somewhat, down there next to that obscure horizon. The stars are bright and they are steady. Of course I know that a star's twinkle is created by the atmosphere, and I have seen twinkle-less stars before in a planetarium, but this is different, this is no simulation, this is the best view of the universe that a human ever had." Michael Collins, Carrying the Fire, pg. 221

It would seem that the astronauts cannot make up their minds about whether they saw stars from the moon or not. Very suspicious, no doubt.

Here is another discrepancy that is right under your nose that you may have missed. The Moon's gravity is 1/6 that of the Earth's. What this means is that if you were on the moon, you could move faster and jump higher. But in the moon landing footage, the astronauts are actually moving SLOWER than they would the Earth! (oops, must be a major screw up there by the producers, or else they were not able to simulate low gravity in the studio?) Go figure.

The Apollo defenders have no argument against this simple discrepancy except by saying that the astronaut space suits were so heavy that it made movement slow. However, even if that were so, in 1/6 gravity, they still should have been able to move faster and jump higher than if they were on Earth. Further, the dirt being kicked up in the video of the lunar rover vehicle should have been shooting up higher in 1/6 gravity as well, than if it were on Earth.

Here is another smoking gun that will make Apollo believers feel foolish and embarrassed. An Apollo image of the alleged sun from the moon's surface turned out to be a big light bulb upon image enhancement! See images and enhancement below:

http://www.aulis.com/jackimages/as12sunbulbrevise.jpg

I live in Toronto. The CN Tower is a great target if you want to actually see the effects of the curvature of the earth. The lake isn't subject to the same level of undulations of the ocean and clear days make perfect seeing conditions. If you Google up the words

CN Tower Niagara On The Lake

in images, you'll get a good collection of shots from different levels of escarpment. Some are shot high and some shot from lake level. Viewed from NoTL at lake level, the Rogers Centre nearly disappears and Toronto looks like it's essentially underwater.

If you want a good example, this guy has a shot taken from 35 miles out:

http://willemcoetzee.blogspot.ca/2013/08/eerste-fotos.html

Bart Rutan wrote:

big SNL skit wrote:

THIS. Not the argument, but the fact that someone on here knows who Rutan is and what the Voyager did was worth getting on here.

Thanks, most people just know me as 'the guy who killed John Denver".

I never liked John Denver anyway.

qw wrote:

Maths wrote:

Can anyone here mathematically prove the earth is round?

Yes, and it's very easy by using geometry.

Approach 1.

1) move in a straight line for a long enough distance

2) turn right 90° degrees, walk straight for the same distance

3) again turn to the right 90° degrees and walk again the same distance

If you will able to hold the line straight and turn exactly 90° degrees you'll end up at the starting location. If the Earth would have been flat, you'd never end up in the same starting location. This possible thanks to the triple-right triangle on a sphere

http://www.math.cornell.edu/~mec/tripleright.jpg

Approach 2.

1) draw a large triangle on surface of the Earth

2) measure the angle sum of the triangle

3) on a sphere the angle sum will never be 180° degrees, which is always a constant on flat surface

90° Triangles. OK. Nice try. How many massive 90° angle triangles are there drawn on this earth? Just because you can draw three 90° angles and get a triangle on a ball, that doesn't mean the earth is one. Who "walks 10,000km, takes a right, walks 10,000km more, takes a right and 10,000km later ends up where they started" anyway? I mean, it sounds good, but in terms of miles, that equates to traveling on three 6,213.7 mile legs of a journey! I am unaware of anyone who has done this to prove the earth is a globe. If you are, please let me know.

Funniest thread I have read in a while, and kudos to legit question :-)

bigtool05 wrote:

I'm very curious about a few things. Why do you think it's nighttime in Japan when it's daytime in the US? Why do you think the sun never sets in the Arctic during the summer months but never rises during the winter months?

Your question answered:

I'm still waiting for you to explain how a compass points 360 degrees.

Legit question wrote:

Bart Rutan wrote:

But the spot he took off from don't appear to be on the edges of the circle. Are you sure you're not thinking of a sphere?

See the pic.

http://aplanetruth.info/11-how-does-a-ship-circumnavigate-on-a-flat-earth/

You don't seem to realize that he flew a plane, he didn't sail a ship.

That makes a world of difference, and a spherical one at that.

Sadly I bet that human nature is making this thread is turn some otherwise sane people into flat earthers..

Legit question wrote: But in the moon landing footage, the astronauts are actually moving SLOWER than they would the Earth! (oops, must be a major screw up there by the producers, or else they were not able to simulate low gravity in the studio?) Go figure.

Bart Rutan wrote:

Legit question wrote:

See the pic.

http://aplanetruth.info/11-how-does-a-ship-circumnavigate-on-a-flat-earth/

You don't seem to realize that he flew a plane, he didn't sail a ship.

That makes a world of difference, and a spherical one at that.

I heard of the dude like over 20 hrs ago. He's an accomplished pilot and brilliant plane designer, kinda like Scotty from Star Trek TOS (James Doohan). As for his exact route it's probably published somewhere. Hitting the gym, where the plates are round just like our planet ;)

Entrance to Pellucidar wrote:

Sadly I bet that human nature is making this thread is turn some otherwise sane people into flat earthers..

God, I hope so.

Legit question wrote:

Bart Rutan wrote:

You don't seem to realize that he flew a plane, he didn't sail a ship.

That makes a world of difference, and a spherical one at that.

I heard of the dude like over 20 hrs ago. He's an accomplished pilot and brilliant plane designer, kinda like Scotty from Star Trek TOS (James Doohan). As for his exact route it's probably published somewhere. Hitting the gym, where the plates are round just like our planet ;)

Use the kettlebells, they're closer to the real shape. ;)