Detroit Piston Richard Hamilton a 4:30 miler?

i am pretty sure i could run a mile in about...ohhh 8 minutes.. then promptly puke all over myself en route to lighting up a big fat smoke. happy new years.

freud: "people who run sub 8 minute miles often times find themselves running so fast because they are living in fear. these quick little snobs need therapy. do like and snort a line of coke, this indeed will cure your need for speed."

- the chronicles of sigmund frued

Great information. Convinces me more than ever that Richard Hamilton can run in the 4:30's.

1984 Superstars 1/2 mile run:

1. Greg Foster 2:18.04

2. Ray Mancini 2:19.3e

3. Billy Olson 2:31.6e

4. Marcus Allen 2:31.8e

5. Cliff Branch 2:34.2e

6. Storm Davis 2:35.4e

Hey, how come those super-athletic ballplayers like Marcus Allen and Cliff Branch can't run a 1/2 mile at sub-5 mile pace, or even beat a pole vaulter? And barely beat Storm Davis? I should think they do lots of sprinting and stuff in practice.

Seems like ballplayers can run great mile times in anecdotal tales, but not when they are actually timed with a stopwatch. Some sort of quantum phenomenon.

I haven't bothered to read nearly all of the posts in this ridiculously long thread, but remember that the mile is the official race distance of hyperbole.

Whatever, I ran a 4:25 mile as an out of shap freshman, you guys don't know jack.

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Whatever, I ran a 4:25 mile as an out of shap freshman, you guys don't know jack.

Good job, Moscow. I bet that by the time you were a senior and had gotten into good shape, you must have been running way faster. I would guess at least sub-3:50. I mean, if you were out of shape, and a freshman, and still ran 4:25, it makes me realize how easy it is to run sub 4 for the mile. I wonder why it took the human race until 1954 to produce a single sub-4 miler.

TM wrote:

1984 Superstars 1/2 mile run:

1. Greg Foster 2:18.04

2. Ray Mancini 2:19.3e

3. Billy Olson 2:31.6e

4. Marcus Allen 2:31.8e

5. Cliff Branch 2:34.2e

6. Storm Davis 2:35.4e

Hey, how come those super-athletic ballplayers like Marcus Allen and Cliff Branch can't run a 1/2 mile at sub-5 mile pace, or even beat a pole vaulter? And barely beat Storm Davis? I should think they do lots of sprinting and stuff in practice.

Seems like ballplayers can run great mile times in anecdotal tales, but not when they are actually timed with a stopwatch. Some sort of quantum phenomenon.

It was a TACTICAL race.

Kyle Rote,Jr. claimed to have run 11 miles a match on Bob McCallisters,Wonderama?You shame your father.Tactical race.

kyle rote jr wrote:

TM wrote:

1984 Superstars 1/2 mile run:

1. Greg Foster 2:18.04

2. Ray Mancini 2:19.3e

3. Billy Olson 2:31.6e

4. Marcus Allen 2:31.8e

5. Cliff Branch 2:34.2e

6. Storm Davis 2:35.4e

Hey, how come those super-athletic ballplayers like Marcus Allen and Cliff Branch can't run a 1/2 mile at sub-5 mile pace, or even beat a pole vaulter? And barely beat Storm Davis? I should think they do lots of sprinting and stuff in practice.

Seems like ballplayers can run great mile times in anecdotal tales, but not when they are actually timed with a stopwatch. Some sort of quantum phenomenon.

It was a TACTICAL race.

the guy is b.s.....let him run a time trial. the stopwatch don't lie.

oh yeah Rip can run, did u ever see him play, he's reallllllllllllly fast...I beleive it..

rippinonuuu wrote:

oh yeah Rip can run, did u ever see him play, he's reallllllllllllly fast...I beleive it..

lots of "fast" people in the world.... the mile separates the men from the boys.....i say the can't break 5 min.

it requires plenty of speed endurance, even with all the time-outs. i think everyone knows what these guys do. they play thirty-six minutes of high effort within a roughly two hour period. this isn't like football or something where the clock is running all the time. don't need a f***ing stop-watch, they time it for you. everyone knows how much basketball players are doing, look at their stat sheets. it's not as much as soccer, but then you might want to take a stop-watch to that sport, too. they do a whole lot of standing around also.

just another poster who thinks running is a sport where one needs esoteric knowledge and training to reach pedestrian times. and, of course, no other sport works as hard as us or are in nearly the shape we're in. no way that could be possible. everyone else is just a lazy fat-ass.

That's at least 3 mentions of that Superstars show. The funny thing is that you must have seen different episodes to me, because the thing I remember about them was how f***ing slow these superstars all were in the half mile run. I remember they would always start out like real pussies, just "pacing themselves", but they still wouldn't have any kick at the end. I don't remember exact times, but I'm sure they weren't ever much faster than 2:30 when I watched. I especially remember being disappointed about Herschel Walker, because he was always built up to be this super-athlete who excelled at everything and was conditioned beyond belief and did 2000 push-ups every day and had 0.1% body fat and did ballet in the off-season, but he basically just jogged a 1/2 mile.

Unforgotten American wrote:

I am old enough to have remembered that old ABC Superstars program, which used to have guys from other sports like basketball, football, and soccer, none of whom trained as middle distance runners at all. They would often have a half-mile run, and I do recall a couple of guys going under 2:00 and quite a few in the 2:05 range.

"I watched John Franco run under 2:30 on a dirt track on that goddamn show," he exclaimed, nodding his head - packed with a sudden mixture of nostalgia, excitement, and raw drunkenness - vigorously. "If that fat f*** Franco could do that, then I can see guys like Hamilton and Allen Iverson under 4:30." He rose undteadily from his computer chair and hunted down another Meister Brau, wishing like crazy that his mother hadn't hidden her stash of Percodans. Every f***ing Christmas it was the same bullshit dance: We'll let him booze it up, but for Pete's sake hide the pills. Hypocrites.

"Fuck this shit," he said with a scowl. His head was throbbing, but he knew that once it started soaking up the half-pint of Tanqueray he'd just pounded in earnest he'd be back in primo form. "Let's talk about something equally hypothetical but less contentious." He roamed the corners of his brain for arcane NBA and track data, then formed a few concrete ideas. "How many guys in the NBA," he typed, corretcing hismself a bunhc of times becuase of spelling f***ups, "could break 50 in the 400?" He figured each and every NBA team had, at a minimum, one such man on its roster, but left the real speculation to the merrily cock-waving chuck d and Craig Cooney types, since he knew he'd soon be too piss-drunk to hold his own in any real debate. "And, oh," he piped up in a post-script, "there are probably two dozen guys in the league who could break 2:00 for the 800 in mid-season, but only four or five who could run 4:30 for the mile." With that, he leaned to one side to pet his cat, who promptly bit him on the soft skin between his thumb and forefinger before skedaddling into the other room (she hated the stink of gin).

Rip Hamilton said:

"I never lost...until this one meet. I was racing the mile. I assumed it was my last lap because my whole team and coach kept saying, "Rip sprint." So I smoked this kid from another school. But when I got to the end, the referee said, "Son, you got one more lap to go." The only thing I remember was this kid just floating by me and I had no more gas in the engine. It was the first time I lost in my life. I was so mad at my team and my coach."

"Typical pro athlete mentality," he said, his voice dripping with Chivas and scorn. "Blame others for your mistakes. If this f***ing idiot relied on his coach and his teammates to help him count all the way to four, I'm amazed he even knows what basket to aim for in the NBA."

give me a f***in break!!!! Did you people read this????

Rip Hamilton: "....I'm the type of runner that runs to exhaustion. If it's my normal workout day with basketball drills, what I'll do is wake up in the morning and I'll run a mile. When I run that mile I will actually sprint it. I don't go out there and just walk a little bit of it or jog a little bit of it. I get out there and it's an all-out sprint. I'm the type of person who believes the faster I get my heart rate up, the more I get out of a run. On the days I don't have a basketball workout, I might run two or three miles as a sprint....."

This guy is so full of shit I can't believe anyone here buys his BS.

AND he MISCOUNTED the number of laps in the mile????? Um, Rip....One, Two, Three, FUCKING FOUR!!!!!! What the hell makes anyone think that this guy SPRINTS a mile? or two miles? or three miles????? I'd love to know how he judges the distance on the road since he can't even count to f***ing FOUR on the track!!

NBA = No Brains Association

Statistics wrote:

Not great, but good. Might not win the state meet, but will get you to the state meet in some states. NOT average. 5:00 mile, that's about average for a HS distance runner and for the general running public. Go to your local summer running series and 90% of the guys there will be around 5:00 while 90% of the girls will be around 6:00.

Where in the world is this? I ran with a girl who ran maybe low 5s for 1500, and she was one of the best in the region and narrowly missed provincials. There is no way in f*** that 90% of all girls can run under 6 minutes for the mile, or 90% of all guys can run under 5 minutes. There are countless crappy runners that skew the numbers. When I ran 5:20 for 1500, I was maybe two-thirds of the way back in the race.

I doubt Richard Hamilton could run 4:30 for the mile, or even 5. The only people who say he could like to throw around random numbers, usually just above their own PBs, as being within the reach of everyone. Watch, I'll do it right now: everyone can walk up off the street and run 4:50 for 1500 m. It takes no special training or effort.