Offical 2013 Lance Armstrong/Oprah Winfrey Interview Discussion Thread

Sprintgeezer wrote:

And yes, there are other things today from which even geriatrics like me can, and do benefit--

You should do it.

duck--

Here's one for you: this is all Lance's mom's fault.

You know what I mean? It IS the South, after all.

Wow, people on the first eight pages are worse jerks and bullies than Lance was, including the co-founder.

rojo wrote:

Why is Lance so adamant he didn't make others dope? Is that part tied to his lifetime ban?

In college, a friend of mine tried to get me to take drugs. I said no. I made the decision.

Another time my roommate offered me a pot brownie, I said "yes."

Both times I made the decision, neither made me do anything.

*(hated the pot high.)

No one ever made me put anything into my body.

If anyone ever took anything because someone "made" them, then they actually made the decision themselves because they had weak will.

And think about it, who the hell takes EPO injections or does something dangerous like blood doping if they aren't willing on some level to take the risks???

Anyone who doped, if encouraged by someone else, is RESPONSIBLE.

Try the "but Judge, ROJO made me drink those beers before I got behind the wheel."

As I've said, having been in Paris, during the TdF...lived in France for part of year...I never believed cycling was clean, and no French person I knew did either.

They thought tennis was clean tho. The French are MAD for tennis. Tennis du France!

--The real story is not this witch, the real story is the whole damned sport was/is dirty, and thousands of riders and coaches and doctors, owners and execs need to come down if the sport is ever going to be clean.

Not defending Lance, just saying each person is Responsible for their own decisions. The problem was endemic, and an epidemic of athletes willing to go with the drug path.

That to me is the real story...the thousands that drugged.

I'd rather see Oprah interview the guys that refused and left pro cycling cos they wouldn't drug -- and I'd like to see every government that has had teams in these tours hold hearings and demand "confession or prosecution."

There may have been athletes that were as doped as Lance, but not as good as Lance, those guys are breathing a sigh of relief right now...under the radar forever.

Lynch em all, if you are going to lynch one.

Josh Hamilton's Addiction wrote:

rojo wrote:

Why is Lance so adamant he didn't make others dope? Is that part tied to his lifetime ban?

Are you gonna be mad when public opinion of Lance rises drastically following this interview, rojo?

Of course he is, because hating Lance is one of his hobbies.

Here's a kid who's got it right.

So what Hamilton and Landis said was actually true, but not that small bit about Armstrong failing a test but telling them he'd be speaking with the UCI and it would be fine. FL and TH got together and decided that in their confessions, coming two years apart, they would chuck in that lie because...? It's just unfortunate that Armstrong gave that donation to the organization he doesn't like.

Tor wrote:

I'm sure some of the fanboys will jump back on board, but the press won't let it go and will continue to tear him apart (ie, claiming he didn't dope after 2005).

I agree with Mr. Sullivan about the 8 year doping ban and Lance hoping the ban will go back to 2005. I don't see any chance of WADA or USADA going for it even if he gives names and specifics under oath. Plus, Tygart is convinced he was doping during the comeback.

What surprised me about Tygart is that in is interviews he seems as obsessed with Lance...and gets an evil gleeful joy out of having brought him down.

It was shocking and scary how creepy Tygart is.

I expected him to be...I don't know, like someone who humbly cared about cleaning up sport.

Tygart is an egotist just like Lance...and Rojo for that matter.

Rojo's obsession with "ripping Lance" resembles Lances obsession with winning.

Part of Rojo's pissed is because he recognizes some Lance in himself. Seriously, think about it...

You know what? I'm not even tempted.

I've got 2 good nuts, and am going out with friends and family to have a late-night beer and burger, after which my wife and I will go home and use those nuts.

I'm actually really glad I never doped. I don't personally know anybody for whom it worked out well, although I'm sure there are a few.

lol lol lol lol wrote:

Kevin Sullivan wrote:

So, am I crazy or is Lance claiming that he didn't dope after 2005 in the hopes that his lifetime ban will be reduced to 8 years, applied retroactively to 2005, thereby making him eligible to compete in....here it comes....2013.

That might make sense. Before doping LA could not climb and could not time trial. Who can compete for TDF wins? Those who can climb and time trial.

I'll tell you why I don't buy that one. First I was a middle distance runner, and I couldn't run long distance for crap. After 2 years of focusing on getting better at long distance running, I was able to do it, even able to run an excellent two mile time trial. What I am saying is that training specifically at specific things can make you better at specific things. I am sure the dope didn't hurt, but I doubt the dope alone could have made him good at climbing and TT's.

It's more complex.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

I've got 2 good nuts,

Sagging and wrinkled.

Lance out cheated a bunch of cheaters and pissed them off. who gives a F*ck. so much self righteousness.

Besides, everybody knew the whole time! Big surprise. Rick Reilly jumped on the pro Lance bandwagon (to get attention and more hits on his columns) knowing full well he was doping, and now pretends like hes been misled and hurt. Every single one of his sponsors, livestrong employees, teammates, race organizers etc all knew... if they say otherwise, they're stupid or lying. People who profited from his name want to distance themselves now... a bunch of frauds, like Lance.

Not yet, although that's probably around the corner!

This is when I knew Armstrong was a fraud:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F94TCxLYZew

So ridiculous. You'd think he would have backed off a bit so it didn't appear so blatantly obvious.

Tommy2Nuttz wrote:

Rojo, this whole interview is a sham.

Think about this: hes the leader, and he wants the others to be sure to keep up with him. Its evident that the implication is that if the leader is doping the other better be. Besides, its safer for everyone if they are all doping. So its all a big lie. he was a jerk and a bully, so of course he demanded that they dope too.

Whats even more pathetic about this "interview" is that over 20min into it she hasn't even asked him when he first doped!

She doesn't know enough to ask him to take her thru a full calender year of when he was doping, how he got the drugs what he physically did, inject pop etc.

I didn't think this interview would be the be all confession.

The confessions I want could only happen if Lance was given immunity all around the world and could implicate everyone who helped him from Day One.

I want to know WHO introduced him to dope, who taught him.

I want that person, and every person after who helped or doped to be brought down too.

This stuff right now is just Entertainment folks.

So I was not too impressed by the interview (Emma o'reilly "got run over"; not "I ran her over"). But the preview of tomorrow where he discusses his kids was powerful. Other parents can feel free to chime in, but to have to tell my kids that I lived a lie, and that the things their friends are saying are true, would be just devastating. Only part where I had a twinge of pity for the bas--rd

Trialswatcher wrote:

Honestly, now I think how easy it was for Viren, Bekele Etc and so on

hate to tell folks, But this is not much different in T& F

Blood Doping wasn't illegal when Viren competed.

A Duck wrote:

What surprised me about Tygart is that in is interviews he seems as obsessed with Lance...and gets an evil gleeful joy out of having brought him down.

This stupid line got old a long time ago. We get it, your Messiah turned out to be a fraud and you can't bring yourself to admit it. That's your problem to deal with, nobody else's.

Rojo: One thing that comes into my mind is I'm pleasantly surprised that so many people are now coming out and ripping Lance

I'm glad it brings you joy. Perhaps you should lead an angry mob to his house and burn him at the stake!!!

Rojo: Like for me, Lance as a cheater was big this summer.

That's some crack investigative journalism. You really scooped this story!

Rojo: Why is Lance so adamant he didn't make others dope?

Grown men made the choice to dope or not. All of the affidavits confirmed that in order to be competitive, you had to dope. That was the culture of the sport well before Lance. Read "Breaking the Chain" about Festina in '98.

Rojo: Lance has a blood profile which meant that he benefitted way more from doping than others.

"The Secret Race" makes that claim. Because Lance's natural hermatocrit was well below the 50% threshold, he did benefit more from than riders with a naturally higher hermatocrit level.

Rojo: Most cycling insiders say he'd never have won a tour even if everyone was clean.

That's awfully speculative in light of the culture of the sport. The truth is there was no level playing field, but it's not as though Lance wasn't a talent. He was World Champion in '93.

Rojo: I know many think I'm over the top with my hatred of Lance

Did he steal your girlfriend? Or is it just jealousy?

Rojo: WHy wouldn't lance admit to Andrew hospital lie?

He admitted to doping. Betsy's testimony is vindicated.

Rojo: I wish Oprah had played the whore comment. Not sure if I've ever heard it.

She characterized the comment as "under the breath". He implied that Emma was sleeping with the riders and that was the reason she was fired.

Rojo: That was much better than I thought.

It was a great interview. Can't wait until tomorrow!

Sciatica Road wrote:

A Duck wrote:

Let's face it this thread won't be a discussion it will be a hate fest.

A discussion would be, calm and logical, where to go from here...

Lifetime ban for a start.

Not sure why I'm even touching this. I was never enamored with any of it, nor tri.

Agree.

Triple Samples. Biological passports.

Lifetime Ban for 1st Positive.