Dumb and scum! WOW you’ve become quite a poet!
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2600 bro wrote:
Denmark restricting tylenol for a few years is correlated with MORE autism diagnoses afterwards! Most likely not causal but its the same level of evidence used to say the opposite.
Not quite. Your Twitter source is referencing Trends in Use of Paracetamol in the Nordic Countries by Wastesson et al, and he has manipulated the graph from Figure 1. The study states, "total sales were highest in Denmark throughout the period, with 65 DDD per 1000 inhabitants/day" but his graph pushes this up closer to 70. Sus.
Sweden passed restrictions on PACK SIZE and AGE due to increasing reports of POISONING from paracetamol used in 'self-unaliving'. All the Nordic countries implemented such restrictions. "Pack size restrictions for OTC sales of paracetamol were issued in all countries at different time-points during the study period."
Wastesson et al wrote:
Reports of an increasing number of paracetamol poisonings, especially among adolescents, have led to legislative restrictions in the sales of paracetamol in many countries, such as pack size restrictions and age limits [8–10].When the restrictions went into affect, usage shifted substantially to prescription from
40% to 80% and it immediately bounced back. See Fig 2. This discombobulated use of sources does NOT specify usage among pregnant women. You do not know that usage decreased in that group.Denmark had the highest usage of paracetamol among the Nordic countries. It also has the 2nd highest prevalence of autism.
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fisky wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Tylenol reduces fevers. It’s basically the only thing currently allowed during pregnancy.
Fevers are demonstrably bad for the developing fetus.
You better be very very sure the treatment is actually worse than the condition here.
Let me preface my opinion by stating that I would not take medical advice from Trump or RFK Jr..
I lost all trust and respect for the CDC during Covid and even now that RFK Jr is ostensibly in control, I still don't trust the CDC. The FDA has been a puppet for Big Pharma for decades so I'm not accepting anything from the FDA without doing my own due diligence.
I trust my doctors, but they aren't gods. I will listen to their recommendations, but I'll get a second opinion on major decisions make the final decision myself.
It seems that a prudent approach going forward for pregnant women would be to avoid all NSAIDS during pregnancy until we definitively know the causes of autism.
Tylenol is the safest of the NSAIDS, apparently, but why take the risk for your unborn child? Why take any risk you can avoid... alcohol, drugs, smoking, etc.
The exception would be to take Tylenol to reduce fever, which is a known risk. In that case, I'd advise a pregnant woman to take Tylenol, but only as long as it was needed to stop the fever. Fortunately, fever for most people is a relatively rare occurrence... maybe once or twice for 2-3 days over the course of 9 months.
I very strongly suspect that the overwhelming use of Tylenol is for aches and pains during pregnancy.
A prudent approach would be to use a non-drug approach for aches and pains during pregnancy... massage, hot baths, liniments, yoga, etc. Like everything else, there could be exceptions, but this is the approach I would recommend.
Tylenol is not a NSAID.
I’m going to guess that you don’t know the first thing about medicine — or even basic biology — but it seems like you feel empowered to speak rather authoritatively about it. Because people like you think structured science is BS and the people and the methodology that led to discoveries that have allowed people to not die of HIV anymore, cured smallpox, and detect exactly what variants of genes you have in your body (down to the individual nucleotides) are full of crap and have nothing useful to say, we will soon cease to be the world leader in biomedical science research.
Because people made mistakes during a pandemic and you’re unable to take a nuanced perspective on it, and now you just assume everything career researchers say is a lie, we’re all f*cked. So thanks man. We appreciate it
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TDScheck wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
Denmark restricting tylenol for a few years is correlated with MORE autism diagnoses afterwards! Most likely not causal but its the same level of evidence used to say the opposite.
Not quite. Your Twitter source is referencing Trends in Use of Paracetamol in the Nordic Countries by Wastesson et al, and he has manipulated the graph from Figure 1. The study states, "total sales were highest in Denmark throughout the period, with 65 DDD per 1000 inhabitants/day" but his graph pushes this up closer to 70. Sus.
Sweden passed restrictions on PACK SIZE and AGE due to increasing reports of POISONING from paracetamol used in 'self-unaliving'. All the Nordic countries implemented such restrictions. "Pack size restrictions for OTC sales of paracetamol were issued in all countries at different time-points during the study period."
Wastesson et al wrote:
Reports of an increasing number of paracetamol poisonings, especially among adolescents, have led to legislative restrictions in the sales of paracetamol in many countries, such as pack size restrictions and age limits [8–10].When the restrictions went into affect, usage shifted substantially to prescription from
40% to 80% and it immediately bounced back. See Fig 2. This discombobulated use of sources does NOT specify usage among pregnant women. You do not know that usage decreased in that group.Denmark had the highest usage of paracetamol among the Nordic countries. It also has the 2nd highest prevalence of autism.
The DK data are from and are re-created by the author of the tweet thread.Fig 1 shows the same max and trend the recreated graphs.
For the rest of it sounds like you agree that autism rates increased in the years following a decrease in acetaminophen consumption. You just don't think it's casual, we agree, I don't it's casual either.
I also don't think the Baccarelli review shows casual evidence for the inverse link because it practically excludes the sibling matched studies.
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TDScheck wrote:
Harambe wrote:
RFK has been one of the nations most outspoken antivaxxers before he held a government position. He has everything to do with them not being vaccinated.
He’s been working on killing kids for decades and a large part of national antivaxx sentiment can be blamed on his platform and the organizations he works with.
So yeah, he’s responsible. But no, he wants more dead kids.
Bud, you have as much to do with Samoan and Mennonite vaccine hesitancy as RFK does. You want dead kids as much as he does.
We are not dealing with sane people here. They literally do not care how much harm they cause in order to maintain their political/ideological beliefs.
What are you talking about? RFK is the face of antivaxx (ahem.. “vaccine hesitancy”) since the 90s. He’s responsible.
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2600 bro wrote:
TDScheck wrote:
Not quite. Your Twitter source is referencing Trends in Use of Paracetamol in the Nordic Countries by Wastesson et al, and he has manipulated the graph from Figure 1. The study states, "total sales were highest in Denmark throughout the period, with 65 DDD per 1000 inhabitants/day" but his graph pushes this up closer to 70. Sus.
Sweden passed restrictions on PACK SIZE and AGE due to increasing reports of POISONING from paracetamol used in 'self-unaliving'. All the Nordic countries implemented such restrictions. "Pack size restrictions for OTC sales of paracetamol were issued in all countries at different time-points during the study period."
When the restrictions went into affect, usage shifted substantially to prescription from
40% to 80% and it immediately bounced back. See Fig 2. This discombobulated use of sources does NOT specify usage among pregnant women. You do not know that usage decreased in that group.Denmark had the highest usage of paracetamol among the Nordic countries. It also has the 2nd highest prevalence of autism.
The DK data are from and are re-created by the author of the tweet thread.Fig 1 shows the same max and trend the recreated graphs.
For the rest of it sounds like you agree that autism rates increased in the years following a decrease in acetaminophen consumption. You just don't think it's casual, we agree, I don't it's casual either.
I also don't think the Baccarelli review shows casual evidence for the inverse link because it practically excludes the sibling matched studies.
It’s rather elegant to get your opponent to destroy their own argument as they argue against a new one. Pendulum swings the other way.
Now they’re trying to argue that Tylenol doesn’t PREVENT autism - and in doing so are highlighting many of the same weaknesses and poor arguments RFK has to make to push his inverse claim.
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“Noooo you can’t claim Tylenol prevent autism by using a natural experiment and observational data!!! Those can’t prove causation and the correlation is too weak to be confident in anyway!”
I think they’re onto something ;)
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The Harvard dean who was authored the study and testified in the trial was paid…. $150,000 to be an expert witness.
Follow the money.
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VAboi wrote:
fisky wrote:
Let me preface my opinion by stating that I would not take medical advice from Trump or RFK Jr..
I lost all trust and respect for the CDC during Covid and even now that RFK Jr is ostensibly in control, I still don't trust the CDC. The FDA has been a puppet for Big Pharma for decades so I'm not accepting anything from the FDA without doing my own due diligence.
I trust my doctors, but they aren't gods. I will listen to their recommendations, but I'll get a second opinion on major decisions make the final decision myself.
It seems that a prudent approach going forward for pregnant women would be to avoid all NSAIDS during pregnancy until we definitively know the causes of autism.
Tylenol is the safest of the NSAIDS, apparently, but why take the risk for your unborn child? Why take any risk you can avoid... alcohol, drugs, smoking, etc.
The exception would be to take Tylenol to reduce fever, which is a known risk. In that case, I'd advise a pregnant woman to take Tylenol, but only as long as it was needed to stop the fever. Fortunately, fever for most people is a relatively rare occurrence... maybe once or twice for 2-3 days over the course of 9 months.
I very strongly suspect that the overwhelming use of Tylenol is for aches and pains during pregnancy.
A prudent approach would be to use a non-drug approach for aches and pains during pregnancy... massage, hot baths, liniments, yoga, etc. Like everything else, there could be exceptions, but this is the approach I would recommend.
Tylenol is not a NSAID.
I’m going to guess that you don’t know the first thing about medicine — or even basic biology — but it seems like you feel empowered to speak rather authoritatively about it. Because people like you think structured science is BS and the people and the methodology that led to discoveries that have allowed people to not die of HIV anymore, cured smallpox, and detect exactly what variants of genes you have in your body (down to the individual nucleotides) are full of crap and have nothing useful to say, we will soon cease to be the world leader in biomedical science research.
Because people made mistakes during a pandemic and you’re unable to take a nuanced perspective on it, and now you just assume everything career researchers say is a lie, we’re all f*cked. So thanks man. We appreciate it
I was wrong about Tylenol being an NSAID. I apologize for that.
I'd be happy to discuss my beliefs about medicine over coffee should you ever be in Nashville. My treat.
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Expert Witne$ wrote:
The Harvard dean who was authored the study and testified in the trial was paid…. $150,000 to be an expert witness.
Follow the money.
"“He cherry-picked and misrepresented study results and refused to acknowledge the role of genetics in the etiology” of autism spectrum disorder or ADHD, Cote wrote in her decision, which the plaintiffs have since appealed."
“But Catherine E. Lord — a professor of Psychiatry and Education at the University of California, Los Angeles — said it is not uncommon for medical professionals to be paid for expert testimony.
“People are routinely paid, and they’re paid generally quite a lot,” Lord said. “There are people who, for as a job, testify as experts.”
“I think what it does suggest, given that he would testify about this, that he is invested in finding something more than most of us would be,” Lord said.Lol. Whoops!
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Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:
Expert Witne$ wrote:
The Harvard dean who was authored the study and testified in the trial was paid…. $150,000 to be an expert witness.
Follow the money.
"“He cherry-picked and misrepresented study results and refused to acknowledge the role of genetics in the etiology” of autism spectrum disorder or ADHD, Cote wrote in her decision, which the plaintiffs have since appealed."
“But Catherine E. Lord — a professor of Psychiatry and Education at the University of California, Los Angeles — said it is not uncommon for medical professionals to be paid for expert testimony.
“People are routinely paid, and they’re paid generally quite a lot,” Lord said. “There are people who, for as a job, testify as experts.”
“I think what it does suggest, given that he would testify about this, that he is invested in finding something more than most of us would be,” Lord said.Lol. Whoops!
Careful you’ll trigger them
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2600 bro wrote:
The DK data are from and are re-created by the author of the tweet thread.Fig 1 shows the same max and trend the recreated graphs.
For the rest of it sounds like you agree that autism rates increased in the years following a decrease in acetaminophen consumption. You just don't think it's casual, we agree, I don't it's casual either.
I also don't think the Baccarelli review shows casual evidence for the inverse link because it practically excludes the sibling matched studies.
You do not have the consumption of paracetamol in pregnant women. The one year blip is useless to your point. Also, if you were using your reasoning consistently then you'd have to accept the correlation between the highest consumption with the 2nd highest rates in the Nordic countries. But you don't so its not a valid excuse for both of those reasons.
Baccarelli et al wrote:
included in this analysis with the addition of four separate sibling-controlled study analysesSibling-controlled studies were included. Further...
Baccarelli et al wrote:
sibling comparison analyses have significant limitations that affect their interpretation. Only sibling pairs discordant on both exposure and outcome contribute to “within-pair” association, leading to strongly reduced statistical power compared to full cohort analyses.But lets pile on...
Baccarelli et al wrote:
an earlier sibling-controlled study by Brandlistuen et al., using the same Norwegian MoBa cohort but with continuous neurodevelopment outcome measures, had a larger sample size (134 discordant pairs) and found significant associations between prenatal acetaminophen and adverse neurodevelopment in the sibling-controlled analysesA sibling-controlled analysis which found significant associations between prenatal acetaminophen and adverse neurodevelopment.
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fisky wrote:
Let me preface my opinion by stating that I would not take medical advice from Trump or RFK Jr..
I lost all trust and respect for the CDC during Covid and even now that RFK Jr is ostensibly in control, I still don't trust the CDC. The FDA has been a puppet for Big Pharma for decades so I'm not accepting anything from the FDA without doing my own due diligence.
I trust my doctors, but they aren't gods. I will listen to their recommendations, but I'll get a second opinion on major decisions make the final decision myself.
It seems that a prudent approach going forward for pregnant women would be to avoid all NSAIDS during pregnancy until we definitively know the causes of autism.
Tylenol is the safest of the NSAIDS, apparently, but why take the risk for your unborn child? Why take any risk you can avoid... alcohol, drugs, smoking, etc.
The exception would be to take Tylenol to reduce fever, which is a known risk. In that case, I'd advise a pregnant woman to take Tylenol, but only as long as it was needed to stop the fever. Fortunately, fever for most people is a relatively rare occurrence... maybe once or twice for 2-3 days over the course of 9 months.
I very strongly suspect that the overwhelming use of Tylenol is for aches and pains during pregnancy.
A prudent approach would be to use a non-drug approach for aches and pains during pregnancy... massage, hot baths, liniments, yoga, etc. Like everything else, there could be exceptions, but this is the approach I would recommend.
What risk to newborns? What risk? Trump is banging this drum, and you want actual intelligent people to listen? Guy take your medical degree back to Holiday Inn where you got it from.
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Harambe wrote:
What are you talking about? RFK is the face of antivaxx (ahem.. “vaccine hesitancy”) since the 90s. He’s responsible.
You're deranged. RFK wasn't even born when the Mennonites rejected vaccines.
As for Samoa...
BBC wrote:
But the deaths were later established to have been due to the nurses mixing the vaccine with an expired muscle relaxant, instead of water.RFK literally had not a thing to do with it. Not. A. Single. Thing. You only maintain this nonsense because you're irrational and deranged. Blaming RFK for either of those incidents is completely false. You maintain it because you're psychotic.
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Harambe wrote:
It’s rather elegant to get your opponent to destroy their own argument as they argue against a new one. Pendulum swings the other way.
Now they’re trying to argue that Tylenol doesn’t PREVENT autism - and in doing so are highlighting many of the same weaknesses and poor arguments RFK has to make to push his inverse claim.
Nothing you wrote here makes a lick of sense or has any connection with reality.
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That's the same study that you linked twice lmao
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Expert Witne$ wrote:
The Harvard dean who was authored the study and testified in the trial was paid…. $150,000 to be an expert witness.
Follow the money.
In 2024, the global acetaminophen market was estimated to be worth approximately USD 10.5 billion, with projections for 2025 indicating a rise to about USD 11.2 billion.Indeed.
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zeep wrote:
lotta trolls here, but obviously it's multifactorial
I'm sure tylenol, in rare circumstances, may lead to issues, but the main culprit is probably vaccines
look at the current childhood schedule compared to just a few decades prior, and look at the rates of all sorts of neurobehavioral conditions compared to back then - it's ridiculous.
there's no reason little ones need that many injections, especially for things that are basically nonexistent or pose almost no threat
adhd/autism/diabetes/etc. all likely linked to excessive injections. the adjuvants are a disaster and we still don't have any true placebo-controlled trials - why?
the fact that they're hitting 6-month olds with the covid jab is an abomination in and of itself, but when you factor in all the other stuff...
I mean, you've got HepB, DTaP, Tdap, Hib, IPV, PCV13, Rotavirus, MMR, Varicella, HepA, HPV, Meningococcal ACWY, Meningococcal B, on and on... basically 13 different vaccines recommended between birth and 18, anywhere from 34 to 46 total doses.
it's just idiotic
These diseases are "basically nonexistent or pose almost no threat" BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE VACCINATED
"look at the current childhood schedule compared to just a few decades prior, and look at the rates of all sorts of neurobehavioral conditions compared to back then - it's ridiculous."
Because we didn't DIAGNOSE these neurobehavioral conditions back then.20 -
Grace Kelly wrote:
This is the leader of the "free" world. A man a majority of Americans voted for, again....He's a clown, making EVERYBODY who voted for him a bigger clown.
Lets be clear here. A majority of Americans did not vote for him. ~77.3 million morons did. Which is still a depressing number, but no where near a majority of the ~340.1 million Americans, or even the estimated ~262 million of voting age (2023 estimate from the federal register).
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