For those who cannot understand this subject, the women’s world record should be 2:26xx or faster. As it is now, it is 2:28.98, but that is substantially inferior to the other women’s world records. So Wiley’s run was very good, and it might currently be her best distance, but several Americans can run faster than 2:31.
You should post a list of records based on your perceptions of athlete's abilities.
That would save so much time and effort of organizing meets.
Jakob could then have that pesky 1500m record, and we could just pencil him in for the road mile over Kessler's stupid time.
You aren’t very bright. The 1000m is not a glamour track event. The women’s world record is WEAK. Read and learn instead of being the dumbazz you are.
update: screw it. You want the threads merged , you got it but you are getting this thread title as these vpn games have driven me nuts
rojo, you're way too emotional to be on these forums as much as you are
you are openly admitting that you're willing to push the narrative that Wiley is a doper not due to evidence, but out of spite towards posters you are upset with
you, a 51 year old man running the most influential running website in the entire industry, insinuating guilt towards a 20 year old cancer survivor that has had to publically deal with being groomed and sexually abused and yet is still one of our nation's greatest hopes for achieving middle distance success in the foreseeable future
if you don't think WADA, USADA or the other countries testing agencies are doing an adequate job, call them out on it directly, try to be a positive voice for real change at the upper levels
it's not fair for someone with your influence to cast doubt on athletes that have never tested positive; there is nothing else those athletes can do to "prove their innocence" other than submit to testing and keep their whereabouts properly updated
Plus he admittedly changed the title of the thread to be another egregious attack accusing Wiley of doping and again with no evidence.
The women’s 1500m record is 3:49.04, which is 2:32.69 for 1000m and then going another 500m at the pace. So it looks as if she went all out for 1000m, there is the possibility that Wiley could pace the world record attempt by Kipyegon for 1000m. I am not knocking Wiley, just saying that the morons have no clue. Anybody could be doping, but Kipyegon is the one with superhuman times, not Wiley.
For those who cannot understand this subject, the women’s world record should be 2:26xx or faster. As it is now, it is 2:28.98, but that is substantially inferior to the other women’s world records.
So Wiley’s run was very good, and it might currently be her best distance, but several Americans can run faster than 2:31.
Several? Athing Mu can run faster than 2:31. There aren't any other American woman who I'm convinced could definitely run sub 2:31, although I would like to see them try.
Hiltz, St Pierre, Hurta Klecker, and Akins might be able to get close.
in case it hasn't been mentioned already: Beatrice Chebet closed in 2:33 in the Olympic 5000 en route to running 14:28
competing in events like the 600, 1000, 2000 or whatever other rarely-raced distance is a great move by her agent: it's a low stress fun environment due to the times not meaning much to Addy, but from a marketing perspective she is now an American Record Holder and can be branded that way to the masses even if those of us who really follow running know it's nothing like being the 800 or 1500 AR holder
Chebet’s close was 2:33.46, but you’re probably the same poster implying the other day Chebet or Battocletti could probably go under 1:57 in 800m if they wanted to, even though Kipyegon never has.
my point was that Addy's 2:31 is not earth-shattering or highly suspicious, though still of course a great result especially considering she had nobody to follow for the last 1:40 of the race
i am not the poster you're referring to, but considering Chebet's last 800 in the Olympic 5000 was ~2:01.1 and she won easily, I can't blame them for thinking she could potentially break 1:57.
What is this thread. I’m shocked, shocked there is doping going on in here. Or not.
I am a simple man who yearns for simple pleasures like butter in my bum, a lollipop in my mouth, and a post from Mr. Chest. Or Concrete Runner. Heck, I’d even take a vintage Mayeroff or Kemibe screed. Many posters on this thread need to get off my lawn Malmo killed his sensei during a 15k and he never said why
And in the process defeats seven Poles, winning by 8 seconds. I understand people who can’t get into the top European meets often find lower level opportunities but this looks strange. Can’t they get her into a more competitive field now?
Very strange how she ended up there (in North East Poland). Low level meet even for Polish standards.
Also, why can't someone get an interview with Addy or her coach? She just set an "AR". If ESP set an AR, Mark Coogan would be hyping up his athlete. Hell, even Bobby Kersee is more accessible. Why the cone of silence in Indiana?
There is nothing more predictable than this endless breaking of records in track now. You would think athletes had suddenly discovered a magic formula.
The bicarb has a lot to do with it
Bicarb and shoes making significant difference, particularly in 800m.
There is a orchestrated whitewash that occurs when this subject comes up, including someone with a vpn from the hometown. It would be nice if we did not have to read about this toxic subject. But a handful of posters seem intent on rubbing her in the sport's face and she seems intent on being way too noticeable.
Didn’t wejo say something to the affect a long time ago that all her doping accusations would be kept to one thread?
Obviously, these guys like all the clicks with controversy. They let the inane, repetitive babling jabs of Armstronglivs go on and on and on (>30000 posts now). It gets very tiresome to board readers.
There was a rumor floated that citiusmag was going to have an online forum. If it ends up crushing this forum, the Armstringlivs troll might heavily factor into that.
If he did say that, well guess what, the Wiley fans has lost the benefit of the doubt by repeatedly abusing the automatic deletion system that exists on letsrun. When I wake up and see scores of posts deleted, it pisses me off and makes me vow to let more posts stand than might normally exist.
Yes, we don't want every thread on her to be about doping nor do we want every thread when Shelby Houlihan returns to be about doping. But it's impossible to have zero posts about it in most threads.
If someone wants to post they find it odd that someone who couldn't even make an Olympic team is now suddenly running American records, they are allowed to do that.
Maybe in the future, we'll have a "Official is an Addy Wiley a doper thread?" but right now it's fair game to talk about it here and in the other thread.
update: screw it. You want the threads merged , you got it but you are getting this thread title as these vpn games have driven me nuts
Isn't there a point where this becomes beating on a dead horse?
If Wiley continues to run well, and continues to test clean, are you going to keep hammering away every time she has a good race?
With regard to her form specifically this season, I don't see anything odd in that she ran poorly at the Olympic Trials (food-poisoning and hamstring problem), recovered and then had a late peak. Didn't something similar happen to Fisher last year - injured came back and ran a fast 3000m late in the year.
Second point would be given shoes + tracks + bicarb, I wouldn't see her times as super-suspicious. Clean woman were running 1:58-1:59 a long time ago (for example Chris Boxer's British 800m record of 1:59.05 about 40 years ago). I'd say it's highly likely that would make her a 1:56 type runner today.
In that light, I don't think Wiley is running suspiciously fast.
rojo, you're way too emotional to be on these forums as much as you are
you are openly admitting that you're willing to push the narrative that Wiley is a doper not due to evidence, but out of spite towards posters you are upset with
you, a 51 year old man running the most influential running website in the entire industry, insinuating guilt towards a 20 year old cancer survivor that has had to publically deal with being groomed and sexually abused and yet is still one of our nation's greatest hopes for achieving middle distance success in the foreseeable future
if you don't think WADA, USADA or the other countries testing agencies are doing an adequate job, call them out on it directly, try to be a positive voice for real change at the upper levels
it's not fair for someone with your influence to cast doubt on athletes that have never tested positive; there is nothing else those athletes can do to "prove their innocence" other than submit to testing and keep their whereabouts properly updated
Plus he admittedly changed the title of the thread to be another egregious attack accusing Wiley of doping and again with no evidence.
It’s normal on letsrun to call athletes dopers when they perform well. Combine that with actual real life allegations of doping and what do you expect?