He didn't illegally trespass or he would have been arrested by now. As goofy as this stunt was, it wasn't illegal. If he broek the law, everyine who stepped on the course also did. That is just how law work.
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bandy wrote:
It is incorrect that he did anything illegal. You can wear your old high school singlet. You can go on the race course. Thousands of people were on the course at the meet. Thousands of people wear old high school gear. Trying to ruin his life over a silly stunt is not good. Why would you want to do this?
There's a big difference between "ruining his life" and wanting him to be held accountable for his terrible choice, which can also send a message to others than going onto a field of play and pretending to be a participant will come with appropriate repercussions.
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What is the accountability that you want? WEre you harmed? WAs anyone harmed? He did nothing illegal. Nobdy was harmed so there can be no civil acttion either.
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bandy wrote:
What is the accountability that you want? WEre you harmed? WAs anyone harmed? He did nothing illegal. Nobdy was harmed so there can be no civil acttion either.
I’m impressed with how willing you are to show your ignorance on the topic. Everything you’ve posted is just obnoxiously wrong.
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Everything? You are incorrect.
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Harm must have been caused for a civil action to be filed. There was none. If it was criminal to be on the course, many people are guilty for crossing the course. You are obnoxiously incorrect. Wrong is a moral judgement. This is an objective observation.
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Brendan, you did illegally trespass onto the playing field of a high school sporting event. Other people may have crossed the course but they didn’t dress up as a school kid and join in the race. Your failure to grasp the difference is the mental deficiency that caused you do this in the first place.
You need to explain yourself, apologize and seek mental health services.
You endangered school children with your actions and you altered the outcome of the race.
You may face civil lawsuits from kids in the race who’s race plan was ruined by you taking the lead and pushing the pace beyond what high school kids are capable of.
As an adult and a sub 4 minute mile runner you broke the race open and only one kid could handle the pace. The other kids had their race ruined by your actions, potentially affecting their ability to get a college scholarship. You are legally responsible for any scholarship money they could have lost.
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bandy wrote:
What is the accountability that you want? WEre you harmed? WAs anyone harmed? He did nothing illegal. Nobdy was harmed so there can be no civil acttion either.
Let's flip the question.
Do you think that it is acceptable to have people jumping into and running among high school athletes in the state championship? And if so, how many can jump in? Can 52 college runners jump into a state meet without doing harm? Can a parent jump in and obstruct the race? Can a fast man jump into the women's NCAA final and run along in the lead group without consequence?
If the answer is that having people jump in is undesirable, then one is one too many. To stop there from being one more, you hold the first one accountable.
This really isn't rocket science.
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Wearing a school jersey isn't the determining factor for trespassing. There were likely some JV kids running around wearing their singlet while supporting their teammates that day who crossed the course multiple times and even ran the entire course prior to the gun being fired.
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But accountable by whom? And what is the consequence that they can impose? The police will laugh. The starter is the official but only over the participants. The facility can't file trespassing charges unless there was an entry fee that he did not pay. That is the only consequence that I can come up with and it would likely require him to pay the $5.
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Doubt it yo wrote:
Brendan, you did illegally trespass onto the playing field of a high school sporting event. Other people may have crossed the course but they didn’t dress up as a school kid and join in the race. Your failure to grasp the difference is the mental deficiency that caused you do this in the first place.
You need to explain yourself, apologize and seek mental health services.
You endangered school children with your actions and you altered the outcome of the race.
You may face civil lawsuits from kids in the race who’s race plan was ruined by you taking the lead and pushing the pace beyond what high school kids are capable of.
As an adult and a sub 4 minute mile runner you broke the race open and only one kid could handle the pace. The other kids had their race ruined by your actions, potentially affecting their ability to get a college scholarship. You are legally responsible for any scholarship money they could have lost.
This ^^^
By pushing the pace, he definitely altered the race.
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RossiCheated wrote:
bandy wrote:
What is the accountability that you want? WEre you harmed? WAs anyone harmed? He did nothing illegal. Nobdy was harmed so there can be no civil acttion either.
Let's flip the question.
Do you think that it is acceptable to have people jumping into and running among high school athletes in the state championship? And if so, how many can jump in? Can 52 college runners jump into a state meet without doing harm? Can a parent jump in and obstruct the race? Can a fast man jump into the women's NCAA final and run along in the lead group without consequence?
If the answer is that having people jump in is undesirable, then one is one too many. To stop there from being one more, you hold the first one accountable.
This really isn't rocket science.
This is where my head went to as well. What is pros started jumping in NCAAs?!
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The police will take this very seriously. A grown man dressed up as a high school kid and competed against boys in sanctioned high school competition. At the very least you will get a restraining order and a trespass notice.
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Banner Day wrote:
The facility can't file trespassing charges unless there was an entry fee that he did not pay.
Wrong. People pay for tickets all the time, then "invade the pitch" at soccer games, football games, and so on, and after they are grabbed by security they are sometimes charged with trespassing.
Paying the fee gives you access to the event as a spectator. You can occupy a seat, or you can watch a cross country race from alongside the race course. When appropriate, you can walk across the course in a parallel fashion to move to a new viewing area.
Paying a fee does not grant you access to running on the course, alongside the participants.
Whether a prosecutor in Texas would pursue this misdemeanor charge in this case is to be seen, but buying a ticket does not grant the ticket holder access to all areas at a sporting event.
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Banner Day wrote:
Sounds like a Nick Symmonds or Ashton Kutcher type stunt.
Ashton Kutcher ran NYC yesterday. Under four hours too.
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Texas Education Code
Sec. 37.107
Trespass on School Grounds
An unauthorized person who trespasses on the grounds of any school district of this state commits an offense. An offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor.Added by Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 260, Sec. 1, eff. May 30, 1995.10 -
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rojo wrote:
This story is wild. It reminds me of James Hogue - aka Alexi Santana who was a legend at Princeton a year or two before I got there. In 1985, dude enrolled in Palo Alto HS at age 25 after being an NCAA Di athlete as an 'orphan' - won the Stanford invite but got exposed. While in prison ain 1987, he then applied to Princeton from PRISON, got in and was so beloved he had professors saying we should forgive him when the con was exposed.
MY RA at Princeton told me they walked around worshipping the guy. Got arrested later at Harvard for stealing gems.
Anyway, I've merged several threads into 1 and changed the thread title. The threads were initially titled. "College Athlete Bandits Texas State Meet" and "SUB 4 MILER BRENDAN HEBERT GOES HOME DEVASTATED."
I see at the bottom of the Mileplit article that the race was broadcast live. What were the commentator saying about the guy mid-race?
There's also a book about James Hogue (aka Alexi Santana) that's an interesting read. It dives a bit too much into criticizing the academic system vs. just telling the story, but the parts about the story are wild. It's hard to believe it's real:IMO this is one of the more underrated stories in the sport - hence my username. When you read about it, it sounds made up. A couple tidbits:
- He applied under the name Alexi Santana to imply that he was Hispanic since he found that entry standards were a bit lower for Hispanics due to diversity requirements - however selected to not specify his ethnicity on his entry
- His application said he was a sheep herder that had lived under the stars for the past 10 years while reading Plato and that his visit to Princeton was his first time sleeping indoors in 10 years
- His application also said he read an absurd number of books, and this was actually a point they had a hard time believing and tested him on - but he was able to answer questions about each one they asked about, so this seemed legit (he was clearly actually smart)
- The connection to track is he was a good runner as well. Originally ran at Wyoming, then went back and ran high school in Palo Alto (hence the connection here), later went to Princeton while too old for the NCAA
The New Yorker article is a good summary if you don't want to read the book
Adding to this, there's also a pretty solid documentary on Jim Hogue put together by a guy who was at the California high school he enrolled in briefly. It is from 2001 so his Colorado thieving was yet to come, but he actually gets Hogue himself on camera to talk about his life. There's also, I think, an appearance from the girl who blew the whistle on his Princeton scam. Been a minute since I saw it.
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Just because the people that will sue you may not win their lawsuit against you doesn't mean they can't sue you and force you to defend your actions in court. Lawyer up buddy.
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