Official The Track Meet 2020 Live Discussion Thread

No, it's like comparing an NFL qb to the best qbs in the NCAA. Is the average starting NFL qb that much better than Trevor Lawrence?

starch man wrote:

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It's really quite simple: If you are a professional runner, I expect that you will be faster than a collegiate runner. And, if you are paid in the top tier of professional runners (which I believe 100k per year is), then I expect you to be much faster.

This is the same as expecting an NFL quarterback to be better than the quarterback on my local pickup football team.

No, it's like comparing an NFL qb to the best qbs in the NCAA. Is the average starting NFL qb that much better than Trevor Lawrence?

Yes, you're right. I did muddle my comparisons, however I was speaking generally, not with respect to Luis and Cooper. On the whole, I would expect someone who is paid to run to be superior to someone who is not paid. It does raise my expectations.

I don't know enough about college football to say anything about Trevor Lawrence.

Apologies if this has already been posted somewhere, but is tonight's meet still happening?

bkrunner wrote:

Apologies if this has already been posted somewhere, but is tonight's meet still happening?

I’m not entirely sure, but the runnerspace tweet a few hours ago seems to suggest it is.

You really like circling. You said earlier in this thread that he should be kicking himself for making the decision to go pro. He has made $100k per year to run and he had his college paid for. Now you say that your expectations are higher for him as a pro than if he went to college but your expectation is that he should be close to 13:10. Let's assume that means you expect him to be at 13:12 as a pro right now. He ran 13:17 which is a sneeze away. You expect that he would be running slower as an amateur. So you are questioning his decision to take $1M and a free education while running 13:17 but you expect that he would have run slower as an amateur and not had the $1M and that is a bad decision?

So we’re all taking Cheserek in 27:30, right?

Yes, according to Lee Troop about 2 hours ago.

Kiptoo in 27:27.

You're not very bright, are you? I stated that he made the RIGHT decision, IF his motivation was to maximize his earnings. Now, IF his entire aim is to run as fast as possible, I think he made the WRONG decision. It's tough to succeed after going pro out of high school.

13:17 is not a sneeze away from 13:10.

Yes, I am saying that he is underperforming his contract and his expectations after turning pro out of high school. If he went the college route and ran 13:17, I would be much more impressed. The fact that he has had 4.5 years of professional running absolutely raises his expectations. If he had just finished his college season, his development would not disappoint me so much. It would be expected.

I am also saying that in his position, I WOULD DO THE SAME. I think it was irresponsible of Adidas to make him an offer like that at 19 years old.

jumping into this convo late but why do you think it was irresponsible of Adidas to make him an offer at 19 years old? He might not have run the times that you wanted him to but he has promoted adidas well with all the tinaman stuff. I know many people who started buying adidas shoes because that's what the tinman wear. All those tinman gear drops when the stuff sells out in minutes and adidas gets their logo on all of it. Would adidas be better off if Drew was running 13:10 but had the same social media presence as galen rupp? I doubt it.

Going pro out of high school makes you slower than not going pro but your expectation is that he should be faster because he went pro? Okay. He should be faster and slower. He is happy with his performance. His coach is happy. His sponsor is happy with the contract. His girlfriend is happy. His parents are happy. But you watch him from your basement for 13 minutes and you think he made a mistake by taking $1M because he would be faster by going to college but be should be faster because he did not go to college. Thank you for all of the logical and considerate feedback. His sponsor will probably terminate his contract for exceeding their expectations but not yours.

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starch man wrote:

No, it's like comparing an NFL qb to the best qbs in the NCAA. Is the average starting NFL qb that much better than Trevor Lawrence?

Yes, you're right. I did muddle my comparisons, however I was speaking generally, not with respect to Luis and Cooper. On the whole, I would expect someone who is paid to run to be superior to someone who is not paid. It does raise my expectations.

I don't know enough about college football to say anything about Trevor Lawrence.

You also don't know enough about college vs. pro running, but that didn't stop you from opining.

NAU guys wore uniforms but other teams did not?

fghrunner wrote:

People holding up 1M over 10 years as incredible money are overestimating it I think. That’s 100k a year, 10% going to agent so 90K a year, plus paying coach, probably 80K a year, and then getting taxes as though you got the full 100K (that is how t works unfortunately) and he’s probably looking at...35-40K a year? Until his late 20’s?? I’m not sure that’s such a killer deal

Actually, assuming he pays 20k to coach/agents, and that he loses another $5k-ish to Colorado tax and roughly 18k in federal income tax (on paper that's how much someone making 100k should be taxed I believe- please correct me if I'm wrong), he loses 43K of his 100k, so he makes 57K annually from adidas. I have no idea how much he makes from other sponsors or if he even has any, so I would just guess he's actually making around 55-60K a year.

The only things that I said about college vs pro runners is that typically pro runners are paid and college runners are not, and that typically pro runners are faster than college runners. Point out the inaccuracy, moron.

You're a mental lightweight.

Young Nico wrote:

Going pro out of high school makes you slower than not going pro but your expectation is that he should be faster because he went pro? Okay. He should be faster and slower. He is happy with his performance. His coach is happy. His sponsor is happy with the contract. His girlfriend is happy. His parents are happy. But you watch him from your basement for 13 minutes and you think he made a mistake by taking $1M because he would be faster by going to college but be should be faster because he did not go to college. Thank you for all of the logical and considerate feedback. His sponsor will probably terminate his contract for exceeding their expectations but not yours.

Dude. It’s not that complicated. If you have two 22 year olds, one who runs pro, and one who just finished his ncaa career, you would expect that the pro, who doesn’t have to deal with classes and has 24/7 to run and recover, would be faster than the collegiate athlete.

However, over the long term, it’s reasonable to expect that the college runner closes the time gap, or maybe even passes the runner that turned pro out of high school because they’ve had easier training in college and less commitment to the sport than a pro athlete does.

It's on!

Did the HS 5000s happen or get cancelled?

OG Coconino Cowboy wrote:

It's on!

It’s on like Michelle Kwan!!