casual obsever wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
Not really sure what you see above that has changed. There is no inconsistency, and the story only changes because the subjects of threads change.
In this thread, you keep arguing that the doping effect has to be negligible because Paula was so so much faster. This in itself is already hilarious, as pointed out before.
Example:
rekrunner wrote:
Note here, we were talking about a single outlying performance, with a large margin of 2.2% maintained for 14 years, over the next best runner, and not number of years a world record was held (e.g. 16.5 years for the marathon). In the context of this thread, think "replicate her success to within to 2.2%". This is 1 second for 400m, 2.5 seconds for 800m, 5 seconds for 1500m, and 39 seconds for 10000m. We can see that Jarmila, Marita, Wang, Tirunesh, and Qu were not single outliers, but had a lot of company.
But in the other thread, you kept arguing that Paula wasn't really so much faster to make your point that she was clean. At some point you cited a 90 second bias for that marathon - if you were consistent and had done that here too, your whole argument would be null and void, as her status would then be quite similar to Jarmila, Marita, Wang, Tirunesh, and Qu.
And of course there was your cute self-contradiction:
rekrunner wrote:
I do not and have never argued that any performance is clean or dirty.
rekrunner wrote:
Of course she's clean.
And just now, back to square one:
rekrunner wrote:
We were not trying to prove or disprove doping, nor determine the question of doping, nor determine if the record was doped.
Not quite, I argue that the doping effect must be small a small part of the explanation, because everyone else, including many talented dopers, was slower.
In other threads, I argued, not that she wasn't fast, but that non-doping factors helped her run significantly faster.
We must look to other non-doping factors, like pacing and drafting and race conditions, and lately efficient shoes.
In other words, doping effect is a small part of the explanation of performance, because of these other significant non-doping factors.
Paula's performance can be clean or dirty, but no one has yet showed that doping matters in the marathon.