incredible wrote:
Kontent wrote:
Any ballots the "potentially illegal" is a nothing burger because the "auditors" man-handled them and had ink pens at hand where they could easily "adjust" a ballot. Only partisans were allow to "review" the ballots, and all media was banned for watch the "review." So, ignore any newly found "potentially illegal" ballots.
23,344 mail in ballots voted from prior address, 10,342 potential voters that voted in multiple counties, 9,041 more ballots returned by voter than received, 3,432 official result does not match who voted, 2,592 more duplicates than original ballots. None of these suggest that it had anything to do with how the auditors handled the ballots.
They used a commercial address verification service to determine where people live. Another nothing burger.
If you change address and don't update your voting info, you can't vote by mail. You should have to vote in person and show valid personal identification. If you vote twice both votes should be thrown out. Patriots are following the rules and the liberals should as well.
Ihatejoe wrote:
Patriots are following the rules and the liberals should as well.
So this woman is a lib? Interesting.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-supporter-voter-fraud-president-viral-video-1546876SDSU Aztec wrote:
What's really bizarre is that an audit is scheduled in Texas where Trumo won and outperformed the polls. I thought the goal for the Arizona audit was to prove fraud and trigger a domino effect of finding fraud in the other swing states that Trump lost.
No no no! The goal in Texas is to "find" voter fraud so that *more restrictive* voting laws are justified...laws that, coincidentally, more strongly affect groups that tend to vote Democratic.
The Texas audit is a pretext for keeping Republicans in power in a state whose political character is starting to shift.
Ihatejoe wrote:
If you change address and don't update your voting info, you can't vote by mail. You should have to vote in person and show valid personal identification. If you vote twice both votes should be thrown out. Patriots are following the rules and the liberals should as well.
You, obviously, missed the point. They used a commercial address verification service to determine whether people live where they say they did. Not an official source. They might as well have used the phone book for all it’s worth.
kibitzer wrote:
Ihatejoe wrote:
Patriots are following the rules and the liberals should as well.
So this woman is a lib? Interesting.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-supporter-voter-fraud-president-viral-video-1546876
Libs are finally acknowledging how bad their "leader" is by digging up old threads. Anybody but the RACIST Trump though....
kibitzer wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
What's really bizarre is that an audit is scheduled in Texas where Trumo won and outperformed the polls. I thought the goal for the Arizona audit was to prove fraud and trigger a domino effect of finding fraud in the other swing states that Trump lost.
No no no! The goal in Texas is to "find" voter fraud so that *more restrictive* voting laws are justified...laws that, coincidentally, more strongly affect groups that tend to vote Democratic.
The Texas audit is a pretext for keeping Republicans in power in a state whose political character is starting to shift.
CNN is proud of you buddy! Great job!
ZERO EVIDENCE OF VOTER FRAUD ANYWHERE. This is what the GOP does, stir this propoganda up so they can justify more garbage voter suppression laws. they know they cannot win fairly and clearly so they pull these stunts. they admitted it to SCOTUS .
They obviously did. I do not know if it was enough to change the election results.
Probably Atlanta and Philly included the most cheating.
I may go and spectate NO wrote:
kibitzer wrote:
No no no! The goal in Texas is to "find" voter fraud so that *more restrictive* voting laws are justified...laws that, coincidentally, more strongly affect groups that tend to vote Democratic.
The Texas audit is a pretext for keeping Republicans in power in a state whose political character is starting to shift.
CNN is proud of you buddy! Great job!
I'll have to take your word for that. I've never watched it.
top wrote:
They obviously did. I do not know if it was enough to change the election results.
Probably Atlanta and Philly included the most cheating.
Yep.
Fraud happened. The election was stolen. Deal with it.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/24/politics/arizona-election-review-results/index.htmlProud Republican wrote:
top wrote:
They obviously did. I do not know if it was enough to change the election results.
Probably Atlanta and Philly included the most cheating.
Yep.
Fraud happened. The election was stolen. Deal with it.
Even CNN admits that tens of thousands of ballots are suspicious. Even though the "count" is accurate, the ballots are fraudulent.
Proud Republican wrote:
top wrote:
They obviously did. I do not know if it was enough to change the election results.
Probably Atlanta and Philly included the most cheating.
Yep.
Fraud happened. The election was stolen. Deal with it.
You and you cult master LOST. Reality sucks for you but even though you pretend its not there, it is and its always threatening to break through to your awareness.
He never never never never was going to admit he lost. We ALL know that. He just figured that his cult would be dumb enough to believe his con. He is playing you and you are an easy mark.
You are sad.
kibitzer wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
What's really bizarre is that an audit is scheduled in Texas where Trumo won and outperformed the polls. I thought the goal for the Arizona audit was to prove fraud and trigger a domino effect of finding fraud in the other swing states that Trump lost.
No no no! The goal in Texas is to "find" voter fraud so that *more restrictive* voting laws are justified...laws that, coincidentally, more strongly affect groups that tend to vote Democratic.
The Texas audit is a pretext for keeping Republicans in power in a state whose political character is starting to shift.
this is correct
The trumpists will keep looking and say the very act of looking implies massive fraud. That they wouldn't have to look if there were no fraud. And that since they have to look, they need to do more to discourage voters.
It's an open question tho if the restrictions help the Rs or hurt them. They will infuriate many Ds, encouraging them to vote, and by telling the Rs that there is massive fraud, discourage them from bothering. Plus, many Rs like convenient voting for the same reason Ds do.
Proud Republican wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/24/politics/arizona-election-review-results/index.htmlProud Republican wrote:
Yep.
Fraud happened. The election was stolen. Deal with it.
Even CNN admits that tens of thousands of ballots are suspicious. Even though the "count" is accurate, the ballots are fraudulent.
I'm sure you are not at all interested in facts, but here's the uber-right wing WSJ editorial board saying you are an idiot to believe anything Trump says about fraud. They go through point by point all the accusations you and trumpists are making.
Former President Trump claims Arizona’s ballot audit found “massive fraud,” yet the new recount says he actually lost the state by 360 more votes than originally reported. He is now demanding an audit of the 2020 election in . . . Texas, which he won by nearly six points. When are Republicans going to quit playing this game?
Arizona’s official results say President Biden won by 10,457 votes. Mr. Trump never accepted the loss, so the GOP state Senate launched an “audit” by hiring Cyber Ninjas, a company without experience reviewing elections. After repeated delays and various pratfalls, here’s the result: A hand recount of Maricopa County’s 2.1 million ballots says that Mr. Biden won the state by 10,817 votes.
There’s no reason to prefer this tally over the certified one, given the audit’s erratic process and lack of transparency. For details, see a June report co-written by Trey Grayson, Kentucky’s former GOP Secretary of State, warning that Cyber Ninjas “will not produce findings that should be trusted.” The good news is they don’t need to be trusted, since the result is the same, except with worse numbers for Mr. Trump.
True to his nature, Mr. Trump is claiming vindication based on the audit’s analysis of voter files. As the biggest example, he says Arizona’s results include “23,344 mail-in ballots, despite the person no longer living at that address. Phantom voters!” No. Did he read the report? This figure comes from comparing voter records to a commercial database on change-of-address filings, but look at the caveats.
Cyber Ninjas says errors are normal when using commercial data. Most of these voters barely moved: 15,035 stayed in Maricopa County, and another 1,718 went somewhere else in Arizona. Only 40% were Democrats and 33% Republicans. The audit also admits there are “ways that a voter could receive their ballot which in some cases would not violate the law.”
College students move often, but they could easily pick up ballots that were inadvertently sent home or to old roommates. What about people serving in the military, taking extended vacations, or working remotely? Address changes were probably noisier than usual last year, given how the pandemic scrambled life. The report offers no evidence that any of these people voted illegally.
The audit takes aim at other alleged discrepancies, but without providing conclusive explanations, much less proof of wrongdoing. The state’s official results, the report claims, show 3,432 more ballots than can be accounted for using the voter files. Yet in the middle of his presentation Friday, the CEO of Cyber Ninjas, Doug Logan, said Maricopa County recently gave a benign explanation: Arizona has a separate protected voter list, which is used to shield the locations of judges, battered women, and so forth.
Another set of 9,041 voters, 34% Democrats to 30% Republicans, show up in the data as having returned multiple ballots. This “could be explained in any of the possible ways,” Cyber Ninjas speculates, ranging from clerical error to fraud. Or not. “The majority of these,” says a spokeswoman for the Maricopa County Elections Department, “are voters that had questionable signatures that were cured or blank signatures that were eventually signed.” In other words: “This shows our Early Voting team was doing their job.”
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The audit documents exceed 100 pages, and it will take time for local authorities to comb through all the claims. Elections are human endeavors, so it’d hardly be surprising if an outside review found some goofs or ways to improve. But that isn’t Mr. Trump’s aim, as one official acknowledged Friday. “I have already started to hear from people saying that, well, the audit failed,” said Ken Bennett, the GOP state Senate’s liaison to Cyber Ninjas, “because it didn’t prove that the election was overturned or that there was a different result.”
On Friday Mr. Trump was set to Defcon 1, saying the audit found “incomprehensible Fraud at an Election Changing level,” and demanding that Arizona “immediately decertify their 2020 Presidential Election Results.” Is anyone surprised? This is what Mr. Trump does, regardless of the facts. Remember in 2016, when he said the results of the Iowa Caucus should be “nullified” based on “the fraud committed by Senator Ted Cruz ”?
The GOP should quit chasing him down rabbit holes. Mr. Trump lost last year by 74 electoral votes, so even flipping Arizona would have left him two states short. He can’t admit to his fans that he lost, since it would undermine his rally attendance, fundraising and teasers about 2024. Perhaps Mr. Trump can’t even admit to himself that he lost, and in his final days he’ll be raging on the heath about “ballot dumps.”
But Democrats this coming week are going to try to pass $2.1 trillion in new taxes and $5 trillion in spending, the greatest expansion of government entitlements since LBJ, or maybe FDR. Where’s a Republican leader who wants to pick up the party’s mantle and talk about that?
Proud Republican wrote:
Even CNN admits that tens of thousands of ballots are suspicious. Even though the "count" is accurate, the ballots are fraudulent.
There isn't a single point in that article where they admit that any ballots are suspicious.
If you refuse to watch the results of the audit report being delivered to the AZ sentate you should not be participating in this discussion.
agip wrote:
I'm sure you are not at all interested in facts, but here's the uber-right wing WSJ editorial board saying you are an idiot to believe anything Trump says about fraud. They go through point by point all the accusations you and trumpists are making.
Yea, well WSJ and Fox can no longer be trusted because they're just RINO's and part MSM! (I don't know if that's really sarcasm because there will be at least one person who will actually try to make that argument)
Pull the other one wrote:
Proud Republican wrote:
Even CNN admits that tens of thousands of ballots are suspicious. Even though the "count" is accurate, the ballots are fraudulent.
There isn't a single point in that article where they admit that any ballots are suspicious.
Oh, there you go with that "fact" stuff again! "Proud Republican" knows what s/he *wants* to be true, and that should be good enough for anybody!