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We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
The vaccine had been ineffective in ending the pandemic. Omicron put a quick end to it.
IFR was way down already thanks to the vaccine (except among antivaxxers). The only people who “benefitted” from omicron were antivaxxers (as long as they didn’t die or get hospitalized or long term damage).
Denying vaccine efficacy just makes you guys look dogmatic. Makes life easy for me.
Ok, feel free to stay at home longer. There's plenty of evidence that, once symptoms are on the downswing, risk of infection drops a ton. Obviously it's non-zero but it's close to the risk we tolerate for the flu and other respiratory viruses.
I don't abide by every guideline perfectly. I make informed decision from the data.
The vast majority of people have immunity from COVID primarily from vaccines. That's what ended the dominant risk of COVID in the US. To argue otherwise, especially relying on Omicron infections – which are known to be poorly immunogenic – is incorrect.
Chokervic's long-COVID downfall is my opinion. You are free to disagree. It's amusing you cannot stand that I think differently, but hey, I will argue with you until you leave, just like countless others. Enjoy.
Omicron didn’t have to confer perfect immunity in order to end the pandemic. It conferred a high enough immunity level to enough people in a short period of time to end the pandemic.
Only fools argue that Omicron didn’t end the pandemic.
I am right about Omicron ending the pandemic.
I am right that only fools argue that Omicron didn’t end the pandemic.
Omicron didn’t have to confer perfect immunity in order to end the pandemic. It conferred a high enough immunity level to enough people in a short period of time to end the pandemic.
Only fools argue that Omicron didn’t end the pandemic.
I am right about Omicron ending the pandemic.
I am right that only fools argue that Omicron didn’t end the pandemic.
Yep, it did. Most unvaccinated people endured Delta, and then Omicron was a very mild cold, if noticed at all. The CDC just said you can go out with Covid if your fever has broken for 24 hours and your other symptoms are fairly mild because both the vaccines or exposure have given us community immunity. Omicron put the nail in the coffin. Everyone around me getting Covid at this point is actually vaccinated. It’s a strange thing to watch.
I am right that only fools argue that Omicron didn’t end the pandemic.
Yep, it did. Most unvaccinated people endured Delta, and then Omicron was a very mild cold, if noticed at all. The CDC just said you can go out with Covid if your fever has broken for 24 hours and your other symptoms are fairly mild because both the vaccines or exposure have given us community immunity. Omicron put the nail in the coffin. Everyone around me getting Covid at this point is actually vaccinated. It’s a strange thing to watch.
I’m seeing that too. Not only covid, but flu, colds, RSV, upper respiratory infections.
Perhaps that’s why 4 shots a year is the recommendation.
Harambro said that if an unvaxxed person gets covid that their immune system is destroyed. Sounds like he got it wrong. Maybe the vax is severely compromising the immune system. That’s why the vaxxed are getting so sick. Hmmmmmm.
Yep, it did. Most unvaccinated people endured Delta, and then Omicron was a very mild cold, if noticed at all. The CDC just said you can go out with Covid if your fever has broken for 24 hours and your other symptoms are fairly mild because both the vaccines or exposure have given us community immunity. Omicron put the nail in the coffin. Everyone around me getting Covid at this point is actually vaccinated. It’s a strange thing to watch.
I’m seeing that too. Not only covid, but flu, colds, RSV, upper respiratory infections.
Perhaps that’s why 4 shots a year is the recommendation.
Harambro said that if an unvaxxed person gets covid that their immune system is destroyed. Sounds like he got it wrong. Maybe the vax is severely compromising the immune system. That’s why the vaxxed are getting so sick. Hmmmmmm.
I’ve had four shots of the vaccine and a flu shot every year. I have not been sick since 2019.
I’m seeing that too. Not only covid, but flu, colds, RSV, upper respiratory infections.
Perhaps that’s why 4 shots a year is the recommendation.
Harambro said that if an unvaxxed person gets covid that their immune system is destroyed. Sounds like he got it wrong. Maybe the vax is severely compromising the immune system. That’s why the vaxxed are getting so sick. Hmmmmmm.
I’ve had four shots of the vaccine and a flu shot every year. I have not been sick since 2019.
You are one of the lucky ones my friend. Except that you have a higher chance of auto-immune diseases, dementia and twizzler arteries during your lifetime. I hope you get lucky with those as well. Thoughts and prayers.
I’m seeing that too. Not only covid, but flu, colds, RSV, upper respiratory infections.
Perhaps that’s why 4 shots a year is the recommendation.
Harambro said that if an unvaxxed person gets covid that their immune system is destroyed. Sounds like he got it wrong. Maybe the vax is severely compromising the immune system. That’s why the vaxxed are getting so sick. Hmmmmmm.
I’ve had four shots of the vaccine and a flu shot every year. I have not been sick since 2019.
Only four shots? You’re way behind, friend. What are you? Anti-vax or something?
He hasn't won since I diagnosed him. For someone that used to win a lot. That's a big change.
That sounds like an anecdote. Put a little meat on the bone kiddo.
Exactly! I’m not saying everyone should get the vaccine because Chokervic is washed. Im not telling you what to do. It’s just an observation. You’re are free to go “that’s just his opinion, I don’t believe it, I will ignore it.” But you can’t.
I am right that only fools argue that Omicron didn’t end the pandemic.
Yep, it did. Most unvaccinated people endured Delta, and then Omicron was a very mild cold, if noticed at all. The CDC just said you can go out with Covid if your fever has broken for 24 hours and your other symptoms are fairly mild because both the vaccines or exposure have given us community immunity. Omicron put the nail in the coffin. Everyone around me getting Covid at this point is actually vaccinated. It’s a strange thing to watch.
Neither of you have evidence. Which is fine. That’s normal antivaxxer rhetoric.
The key word in your screed is “most.” In fact 30-50 times LESS unvaccinated people “ endured” delta and Omicron than vaccinated (population adjusted). Because they died. Because they weren’t vaccinated.
If your argument is “vaccines didn’t end the pandemic because the antivaxxers weren’t all dead/infected until omicron.” Then sure. I agree. Their family members probably aren’t so flippant with their deaths but ok.
That sounds like an anecdote. Put a little meat on the bone kiddo.
Exactly! I’m not saying everyone should get the vaccine because Chokervic is washed. Im not telling you what to do. It’s just an observation. You’re are free to go “that’s just his opinion, I don’t believe it, I will ignore it.” But you can’t.
If you are not obese or super old, you should not even consider slamming that fake vaccine into your system, else you will eventually die by the sword you wield. Even the obese would do much better just running off the fat. no runners dead yet. only thing saving the foolish is that they quit taking the boosters they push
That sounds like an anecdote. Put a little meat on the bone kiddo.
Exactly! I’m not saying everyone should get the vaccine because Chokervic is washed. Im not telling you what to do. It’s just an observation. You’re are free to go “that’s just his opinion, I don’t believe it, I will ignore it.” But you can’t.
You just can’t let the Joker thing go. You’ve dug yourself quite a hole.
Why does it bother you so much that Djokovic is unvaxxed? Some guy from another country whom you never heard of before Covid really has you wound up.
Yep, it did. Most unvaccinated people endured Delta, and then Omicron was a very mild cold, if noticed at all. The CDC just said you can go out with Covid if your fever has broken for 24 hours and your other symptoms are fairly mild because both the vaccines or exposure have given us community immunity. Omicron put the nail in the coffin. Everyone around me getting Covid at this point is actually vaccinated. It’s a strange thing to watch.
Neither of you have evidence. Which is fine. That’s normal antivaxxer rhetoric.
The key word in your screed is “most.” In fact 30-50 times LESS unvaccinated people “ endured” delta and Omicron than vaccinated (population adjusted). Because they died. Because they weren’t vaccinated.
If your argument is “vaccines didn’t end the pandemic because the antivaxxers weren’t all dead/infected until omicron.” Then sure. I agree. Their family members probably aren’t so flippant with their deaths but ok.
Only a fool would argue Omicron didn’t end the pandemic.
Exactly! I’m not saying everyone should get the vaccine because Chokervic is washed. Im not telling you what to do. It’s just an observation. You’re are free to go “that’s just his opinion, I don’t believe it, I will ignore it.” But you can’t.
You just can’t let the Joker thing go. You’ve dug yourself quite a hole.
Why does it bother you so much that Djokovic is unvaxxed? Some guy from another country whom you never heard of before Covid really has you wound up.
Because he’s a role model others listen to while haharambe is no role model that nobody listens to. it’s an ego thing. I truly think once they get that stuff into them, then it changes their perception of reality. Studies are now showing it messes with the brain.
Exactly! I’m not saying everyone should get the vaccine because Chokervic is washed. Im not telling you what to do. It’s just an observation. You’re are free to go “that’s just his opinion, I don’t believe it, I will ignore it.” But you can’t.
If you are not obese or super old, you should not even consider slamming that fake vaccine into your system, else you will eventually die by the sword you wield. Even the obese would do much better just running off the fat. no runners dead yet. only thing saving the foolish is that they quit taking the boosters they push
I agree and it’s never not been this way. Elderly, obese with comorbidities, and immunocompromised were always the target group for these vaccines, and I don’t really recall anyone here saying otherwise, but they may have.
But Harambe has to group everyone in as an antivaxxer without allowing the nuance of different risk strata, in which case it always should’ve been a personal choice, not a quasi-mandate, which it was. If you are a typical letsrunner, say 30-50 years old, fit, and in very good health, there were some very simple things to do to mitigate the flu. Not talking about hydroxychloroquine here.
My point, lost on Haram-2600bro, was that of that latter group, most endured Delta and built up significant immunity so that Omicron was a big nothing burger, though it did enhance immunity and all but end the pandemic. But he wants to focus on the 300,000 who died, 95% of whom absolutely should’ve been vaccinated, and nobody ever said otherwise. He just can not come off of that disingenuous talking point, just like he can’t allow for the fact the Djokovic is extremely healthy, still playing at an exceptionally high level for a 36+ year old, and has better immunity than almost any vaccinated person.
I’m sure my buddy, whose career now hangs in the balance because of idiopathic right BBB, has some regrets he didn’t follow Djokovic’s lead.
You just can’t let the Joker thing go. You’ve dug yourself quite a hole.
Why does it bother you so much that Djokovic is unvaxxed? Some guy from another country whom you never heard of before Covid really has you wound up.
Because he’s a role model others listen to while haharambe is no role model that nobody listens to. it’s an ego thing. I truly think once they get that stuff into them, then it changes their perception of reality. Studies are now showing it messes with the brain.
A nobody? Didn’t you hear? Harambro is a successful physician, virologist, immunologist, celebrity chef, tennis pro, game show host, millionaire, sub-14 guy, Super Bowl winner, stunningly good-looking and much more.
Exactly! I’m not saying everyone should get the vaccine because Chokervic is washed. Im not telling you what to do. It’s just an observation. You’re are free to go “that’s just his opinion, I don’t believe it, I will ignore it.” But you can’t.
You just can’t let the Joker thing go. You’ve dug yourself quite a hole.
Why does it bother you so much that Djokovic is unvaxxed? Some guy from another country whom you never heard of before Covid really has you wound up.
Because Djokovic went against the medical orthodoxy and dogma and won. Then he kept on winning.
I hope he’s taking his nattokinase to pull himself out of long Covid, poor guy.
Because he’s a role model others listen to while haharambe is no role model that nobody listens to. it’s an ego thing. I truly think once they get that stuff into them, then it changes their perception of reality. Studies are now showing it messes with the brain.
A nobody? Didn’t you hear? Harambro is a successful physician, virologist, immunologist, celebrity chef, tennis pro, game show host, millionaire, sub-14 guy, Super Bowl winner, stunningly good-looking and much more.
Laughably, he’s not even one of those things. I bet Djokovic can cook. Heck, he could probably even go sub-14 if he had two-three years to commit to the training. Additionally, he deserves the honorary immunology/virology degree.
I am right that only fools argue that Omicron didn’t end the pandemic.
Yep, it did. Most unvaccinated people endured Delta, and then Omicron was a very mild cold, if noticed at all. The CDC just said you can go out with Covid if your fever has broken for 24 hours and your other symptoms are fairly mild because both the vaccines or exposure have given us community immunity. Omicron put the nail in the coffin. Everyone around me getting Covid at this point is actually vaccinated. It’s a strange thing to watch.
Most people survive COVID with not much issue (small number) Many people get infected (very big number)
Multiply small with very big number = big number (hundreds of thousands of dead Americans)
Many things can be true! Vaccination has saved millions of lives even if most people have a very small risk of dying.
Yep, it did. Most unvaccinated people endured Delta, and then Omicron was a very mild cold, if noticed at all. The CDC just said you can go out with Covid if your fever has broken for 24 hours and your other symptoms are fairly mild because both the vaccines or exposure have given us community immunity. Omicron put the nail in the coffin. Everyone around me getting Covid at this point is actually vaccinated. It’s a strange thing to watch.
Most people survive COVID with not much issue (small number) Many people get infected (very big number)
Multiply small with very big number = big number (hundreds of thousands of dead Americans)
Many things can be true! Vaccination has saved millions of lives even if most people have a very small risk of dying.
I agree! You obviously didn’t read my obvious response to your other personality. Vaccination had its merits in a subset of the population.
You’re the ridiculous one with the all or nothing approach and look at the RCTs and VAERS, even though the data is subpar.
If you are not obese or super old, you should not even consider slamming that fake vaccine into your system, else you will eventually die by the sword you wield. Even the obese would do much better just running off the fat. no runners dead yet. only thing saving the foolish is that they quit taking the boosters they push
I agree and it’s never not been this way. Elderly, obese with comorbidities, and immunocompromised were always the target group for these vaccines, and I don’t really recall anyone here saying otherwise, but they may have.
But Harambe has to group everyone in as an antivaxxer without allowing the nuance of different risk strata, in which case it always should’ve been a personal choice, not a quasi-mandate, which it was. If you are a typical letsrunner, say 30-50 years old, fit, and in very good health, there were some very simple things to do to mitigate the flu. Not talking about hydroxychloroquine here.
My point, lost on Haram-2600bro, was that of that latter group, most endured Delta and built up significant immunity so that Omicron was a big nothing burger, though it did enhance immunity and all but end the pandemic. But he wants to focus on the 300,000 who died, 95% of whom absolutely should’ve been vaccinated, and nobody ever said otherwise. He just can not come off of that disingenuous talking point, just like he can’t allow for the fact the Djokovic is extremely healthy, still playing at an exceptionally high level for a 36+ year old, and has better immunity than almost any vaccinated person.
I’m sure my buddy, whose career now hangs in the balance because of idiopathic right BBB, has some regrets he didn’t follow Djokovic’s lead.
If you only care about avoiding death - sure you can say “only the highest risk should be vaccinated”
But we are a civilized society that wants to decrease overall suffering. So most people understand vaccination will reduce their chance of infection, symptoms, chance of missing work/family life, chance of hospitalization, chance of long term issues … etc.
Saying “the vaccine didn’t stop healthy people from dying (even if it did save thousands of healthy lives) is very dumb and myopic”
But I do get that you have to argue stupid points to even sound mentally functional