Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

To rehash Adult’s idiotic position:

genocide is fine, as long as it doesn’t affect my 401k.

I don't think Putin gives a flying you know what. His military has been embarrassed for over a year now? How many casualties has he incurred? Hundreds of thousands? How much has the war cost him? Hundreds of billions?

Russia has already lost - they're finished as a competent military force. But Putin is not going to go down without a fight.

A few months ago, he installed S-400 anti-missile systems in & around Moscow (anticipated missile attacks from Ukraine on the capital city?).

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Defensive missile systems erected on Moscow rooftops

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/roth-andrew

Kremlin appears to prepare for strikes on Russian capital by installing interception systems

Link:www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.c...

Storing tactical nukes in Belarus as Putin is trying drag Belarus into the war:

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Russia plans to station tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus, Putin says | CNN

Heather Chen,Hira Humayun,Mariya Knight,Andrew Carey,Radina Gigova,Maria Kostenko

Russia plans to station tactical nuclear weapons in neighboring Belarus, President Vladimir Putin said Saturday.

Link:www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2...

Putin using body doubles? If true, this is a desperate, frightened man who's afraid of facing defeat in Ukraine & being brought to justice for war crimes.

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Ukrainian official accuses Putin of sending a body double to Mariupol

Conspiracy theories regarding Putin’s use of body doubles have persisted for years.

Link:www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost.com/inter...

Given the choice, some here would want their child homeless, starving, and possibly killed in a war zone rather than taken by social services of their opposition. #morality

These Ukraine idiots are not going to like this because they lose: the highest moral position is, don't start wars!

Ukrainians didn't want this war during their Euromaidan. They were peaceful in the first few days. Then their violence starting, UPA-nazi flag holding, Nazi-problem showed up and here we are. The violence could have stopped after the revolution and Yanukovych was out. Done. But no. It was escalated for no reason. Ukraine troops were sent to the Donbas to stir up problems and block and murder referendum voters there. This was in addition to neo-nazi militias.

Why didn't the government do something? Now Russia is. Illegally removing the Russian puppet, Yanukovych, was enough for Kyiv. No need for 8 years of ethnic cleansing.

Russia is winning. They are in Ukraine right now and Crimea is literally Russia. For Ukraine to win, according to Ukraine, Russia needs to be out, Crimea too.

Correct. Russia shouldn’t have started this war. But they did. Now only amoral scumbags support them.

Defining winning? Just because Russia still occupies parts of Ukraine - that would be "winning?"

Don't you evaluate the casualty rate? Isn't the 200k+ that Russia has incurred an embarrassment, as well as clearly "losing" the war?

And how about the billions he's spent on the war & nothing to show for it but outrageously high casualties, deaths of innocent Ukrainian civilians & now an indictment as a war criminal - you call this winning? Lol.

Now that there's a price on Putin's head, someone needs to take him down.

Be careful, or you’ll completely break poor little cecci. See, he has very limited intellectual capacity to understand anything more than the bullet points the Kremlin has told him.

By winning they mean the have conceded more points than Ukraine. Russia is winning by not being able to take Bakhmut after 8 months of trying. Russia is winning by sending Putin body doubles into Ukraine to pretend he was there while Zelensky can't do that so he just has to show up in the middle of Bakhmut while it's a war zone.

not at all, just comical a one man clown show

Russia was going to take over Ukraine, get rid of Mr,Z and rule the place, As we all know that will never happen so Russia has already lost this war. This was never about just knocking over buildings and grabbing a chunk of land.

WSJ has a long story about the economic disaster RU has become because of the war. They're getting just $50 per barrel of oil and everyone knows China will shake down RU for even lower prices since Europe won't touch the stuff anymore. RU has signed on as China's junior partner as a resource supplier and everyone knows it. Embarrassing.

MOSCOW—The opening months of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine last year drove an increase in oil and natural-gas prices that brought a windfall for Moscow. Those days are over.
As the war continues into its second year and Western sanctions bite harder, Russia’s government revenue is being squeezed and its economy has shifted to a lower-growth trajectory, likely for the long term.
The country’s biggest exports, gas and oil, have lost major customers. Government finances are strained. The ruble is down over 20% since November against the dollar. The labor force has shrunk as young people are sent to the front or flee the country over fears of being drafted. Uncertainty has curbed business investment.
“Russia’s economy is entering a long-term regression,” predicted Alexandra Prokopenko, a former Russian Central Bank official who left the country shortly after the invasion.

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Russia’s Economy Is Starting to Come Undone

Georgi Kantchev and Evan Gershkovich

Investment is down, labor is scarce, budget is squeezed. Oligarch: ‘There will be no money next year’

Link:www.wsj.com/articles/russias-economy-i...

So Ukraine lost this war in 2014 after Crimea, by your standard.

As this is not settled, we can only say winning / losing. Don't say lost. Say Ukraine is losing, according to their own standards for victory.

But why are you supporting war-provoking, racist neo-nazis who started everything November 24th 2013 then killed unarmed civilians for 9 years after that? neo-nazis and ukraine military invaded the Donbas long before Russia.

Russia is also losing, according to their standards of victory.

Demilitarized? Nope. Ukraine’s military is bigger and stronger than ever. Russia’s… not so much.

Prevent Ukraine from joining NATO? Probably accelerated the process by 20 years, got Finland and probably Sweden to join NATO (significantly increasing the Russia’s border with NATO), and fast-tracked Ukraine’s joining the EU.

Denazifying? More Russian Nazis have died than Ukrainian, so I guess that’s winning.

Demonstrate that gullible has-beens living in Japan will parrot propaganda for 50 Rubles a week? Ok. They did that.

Russia isn't the country losing land. They are winning.

Russia's standard for victory is idiotic and as nebulous and useless as "war on terror" open ended waste. Russia will never meet its own standard for victory because Ukraine has so many Nazis. But if they at least take over the Donbas and protect civilians from ethnic cleansing, that is the real victory. Donbas was the reason for invading. Would be the reason for winning. america has been given 20 years for its bogus war on terror, we have to also give Russia its 20 years for "de-nazification". These are the standards acceptable to NATO.

How is your replicating 8 years of 2014 – 2022 ethnic cleansing / murdering of unarmed minorities coming along in the area where you live? Which minority are you targeting? What kind of weapons do you use and do you wear your UPA/OUN swastika on the outside or do you just say racist stuff to people before you start harassing / killing them?

Unarmed grandma, the enemy combatant. Welcome to the past 9 years, to all of you who just found Ukraine on a map in 2022.

~ Russia’s been killing civilians for 1 year, fighting against fascism

~ Ukraine’s neo-nazis are on year number 9 killing civilians, fighting as racist fascists

When your morality forces you to put your head down, through your own legs, and back up again, and into your own a**hole

Russia has already lost, no they won't be making a dent in Ukraine, nothing will change because of Russia.

Stupd idea to begin with, actually everything Russia has done is stupid.

Ukraine has this won, and it's totally obvious.

Which do you think will happen first: The complete collapse of the Russian economy forcing withdrawal or Ukraine running out of troops?

Seems like Russia could float along for years with "lower-growth trajectory" outlasting Ukraine's troop number problems. Unless Russia's economy completely tanks and stays there for a long time, much ado about nothing. BRICS+ FTW on helping Russia's economy.

These videos show some of the useless fighting forces Ukraine is getting now. Many conscripts probably aren't fighting their conscriptors this much but they could still be completely uninterested, apathetic, and withdrawn regarding their desire to fight, so just as useless as these strong resisters.

These conscription teams are Gestapo-esk. Not exactly winning hearts and minds to beat Russia.

Let's review so you are up to date:

Ukraine neo-nazis and military went to the Donbas to ethnic cleanse unarmed civilians for 8 years only after November 24th 2013, not before.

UPA / nazi flag wielding Ukraine neo-nazis started the very first violence on November 24th 2013 which led to this 2022 war.

The Euromaidan is the reason for Ukraine neo-nazis murdering unarmed civilians in the Donbas and so it is also the reason for Russia's subsequent liberation of the Donbas to prevent Ukraine fascists from ethnic cleansing unarmed civilians further.

So everyone is 100% clear, the Ukraine government is the fascist state. Russia is the anti-fascist, just like WWII, when Russia beat the Nazis, after Ukraine’s UPA/OUN fascist groups joined with Nazis to kill unarmed civilians.

Search EuroMaidan to learn more.

About "it's totally obvious", go tell Russian troops in Ukraine they have lost and see what they say.