Next, before talking about the morality of children being saved, talk about the morality of killing people, 2014-2022. See "dead vs. alive" to learn about rank ordering morality
After you get Ukraine's neo-nazi first murders nailed down, then you can try something else much less significant, like keeping kids ALIVE in Russia.
Was Russia ethnic cleansing in 2014 - 2022 like Ukraine? There went your WWII point.
Going back to WWII is more effective if it applies today somehow, like Russia beating the Nazis in WWII like they are beating neo-nazis in Ukraine today, or OUN/UPA Ukraine Nazi groups from WWII being propped up today by Ukraine's government. Talking about Crimean Tartars falls flat because Russia didn't do that in 2014 - 2022. Ukraine did. Russia is now preventing ethnic cleansing by neo-nazis, hence liberating the Donbas. Your point is disconnected.
The obligations of the Geneva Convention apply regardless of the conduct of any combatant. It is not a morality issue, it is a matter of international law. Russia violated international law by absconding Ukrainian children and forcing them into adoption in Russia. You don't even dispute it.
And the real ethnic cleansing going on is currently among the "liberated" Ukrainians in Donbass. They are being deported into Russian filtration camps where they are beaten, starved and tortured. They are bein replaced by Russians in order to make sure that there will be no popular resistance to Russian occupation.
A child alive is better than dead. Sort out the legality of children being kept alive after you sort out the legality of murdering people. Murder is much worse:
Murder sentencing in america is: Death penalty or life without parole
Kidnapping sentencing in america is: 10 - 20 years
On your second point, don't start wars! Everything happening now is because of 2013 Ukraine neo-nazis. You can't cheer for the side that started it then complain about the side responding. You don't have a position to start with.
Which is why you only post evidence- because you have no propaganda.
Thanks. It's pretty easy. Evidence is everywhere. Here's the Ukraine government transitioning to a Nazi state:
That’s not the claim you made though.
You claimed: “neo-nazis couldn't keep the peace on November 24th 2013.” Please provide evidence to support this specific claim, which you have repeated multiple times without evidence. Until then, here’s your pine cone.
Ukraine neo-nazis went to the Donbas to ethnic cleanse unarmed civilians for 8 years only after November 24th 2013, not before. The Euromaidan is the reason for Russia's liberation of the Donbas.
UPA (nazi) flag wielding Ukraine neo-nazis started the very first violence on November 24th 2013 which led to this 2022 war.
Maybe keep the peace, neo nazi?
There’s your evidence. Search EuroMaidan to learn more.
The obligations of the Geneva Convention apply regardless of the conduct of any combatant. It is not a morality issue, it is a matter of international law. Russia violated international law by absconding Ukrainian children and forcing them into adoption in Russia. You don't even dispute it.
And the real ethnic cleansing going on is currently among the "liberated" Ukrainians in Donbass. They are being deported into Russian filtration camps where they are beaten, starved and tortured. They are bein replaced by Russians in order to make sure that there will be no popular resistance to Russian occupation.
A child alive is better than dead. Sort out the legality of children being kept alive after you sort out the legality of murdering people. Murder is much worse:
Murder sentencing in america is: Death penalty or life without parole
Kidnapping sentencing in america is: 10 - 20 years
On your second point, don't start wars! Everything happening now is because of 2013 Ukraine neo-nazis. You can't cheer for the side that started it then complain about the side responding. You don't have a position to start with.
Glad we agree that Russia shouldn’t have started a war. They’re truly disgusting people, just like people that support them.
p.s. your understanding of history is so limited that there’s not enough hours in the day to correct it. Enjoy your Neighborhood of Make-Believe, Henrietta Pussycat. In the real world, people with a modicum of intelligence know - without a doubt - that Russia is 100% responsible for this war. Your attempts to argue otherwise are as comical as they are unconvincing.
p.p.s. If you are looking for the first violence in the war, the date you want is July 17, 2013 when the Russian Coast Guard killed four Ukrainian fisherman in response to Ukrainian plans to sign the Association Agreement with the EU.
Here is a Ukraine child (10 years old?) with a machine gun in the street. Let's talk about this child getting shot as an enemy combatant. After that, we can head over to Russian social services:
The obligations of the Geneva Convention apply regardless of the conduct of any combatant. It is not a morality issue, it is a matter of international law. Russia violated international law by absconding Ukrainian children and forcing them into adoption in Russia. You don't even dispute it.
And the real ethnic cleansing going on is currently among the "liberated" Ukrainians in Donbass. They are being deported into Russian filtration camps where they are beaten, starved and tortured. They are bein replaced by Russians in order to make sure that there will be no popular resistance to Russian occupation.
A child alive is better than dead. Sort out the legality of children being kept alive after you sort out the legality of murdering people. Murder is much worse:
Murder sentencing in america is: Death penalty or life without parole
Kidnapping sentencing in america is: 10 - 20 years
On your second point, don't start wars! Everything happening now is because of 2013 Ukraine neo-nazis. You can't cheer for the side that started it then complain about the side responding. You don't have a position to start with.
So, your approach to the Geneva Convention is "F#ck around and find out?" Russia has made use of the rules of war to facilitate prisoner exchanges. Russia is not some rebel group hiding in the jungles of Sub-Saharan Africa. It has no excuse for not following the law on evacuating children from a war zone. About two thirds of Ukraine is outside of the areas seeing major combat. Russia simply could have sent the kids to Odessa, Kyiv or Lviv so Ukraine authorities could reunite them with their families (and if the reason Russia could not do that was because they were actively bombing civilians in those cities, then Russia is as sick as they come). Or Russia could have delivered them to a neutral party if they believed that the kids would immediately be turned into Nazi zombies upon return to Ukraine. But Russia did none of the above. Instead, they ignored the fact that these kids have relatives in Ukraine who should be taking care of them and turned them over to Russian families for adoption, all while parading them on TV (another violation of the Geneva Convention). Russia is doing this because they fundamentally believe in the concept of Russkiy Mir or the Russian World. Under Putin, this is just Hitler's master race by another name. Russians believe that they are the superior people of the world and that Russian culture, art, technology etc. is superior to all the world. Russians see people in Ukraine as being half breeds who are inferior to Russians. That is why Russians believe that they are "saving" Ukrainian children through forced adoption. It is not saving them from the perils of the battlefield. Russia believes they are saving them from the inferior half breed Ukrainian parents and relatives.
i have no evidence to support my claim, so I’m going to post random tweets.
Thank you for your honesty.
I took your advice and searched for Euromaidan on Google, which brought me to a nice Wikipedia article titled “Timeline of the Euromaidan”. On November 24, 2013 it says:
A larger rally took place on 24 November, when 50,000 to 200,000[14] people gathered on Kyiv's Maidan Nezalezhnosti. The pro-EU demonstrators carrying Ukrainian and EU flagschanted "Ukraine is Europe" and sang the national anthem as they marched toward European Square for the rally.[15] News agencies claimed this to be the largest protest since the Orange Revolution of 2004.[16] After a small group of protesters attempted to storm the Government Building, police used tear gas to disperse them.[17] Protesters also used tear gas and some fire crackers (according to police protesters were first to use them).[18]
No mention of the protesters that attempted to storm the Government Building being Nazis. So, your claim isn’t looking good.
I then checked out reference 18 of the above article, which is from a Russian news report the following day:
After the rally on European Square, many oppositionists went to the Government House. Clashes began there. Activists tried to break through the police cordon. They broke the metal barrier and used it as a ram to pass through the cordon. Law enforcement officers used tear gas and batons in response. Representatives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs claim that such measures were taken because the opposition was the first to throw smoke bombs at the police and used gas.
Again, no mention of Nazis.
So, I took your advice and all it did was convince me that you’re full of sh*t.
If you don't like Russian social services, don't start wars with neo-nazi violence during peaceful revolutions and don't neo-nazi ethnic cleanse for 8 years. Someone might notice and help out.
A dead child is worse. Here are children being killed in 2014 - 2022 via civilian shelling by Ukraine neo-nazis. This part keeps messing you up.
Here is a Ukraine child (10 years old?) with a machine gun in the street. Let's talk about this child getting shot as an enemy combatant. After that, we can head over to Russian social services:
I guess if you didn’t want Ukrainian children to have to defend themselves from Russian war criminals that have executed, tortured, and raped hundreds of Ukrainian civilians, you shouldn’t be supporting Russia’s invasion. But you are. Because you are a terrible human being that gets some perverse pleasure in watching Russia commit war crimes.
What's the term for Ukraine neo-nazis starting everything on November 24th 2013, when Russians weren’t there, then you having no point after that... This is the part that keeps messing you up.
Thank you for your participation
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If you don't like Russian social services, don't start wars with neo-nazi violence during peaceful revolutions and don't neo-nazi ethnic cleanse for 8 years. Someone might notice and help out.
A dead child is worse. Here are children being killed in 2014 - 2022 via civilian shelling by Ukraine neo-nazis. This part keeps messing you up.
Save yourself some time and just finally admit that you believe that Russia is above the law and can do as it pleases with Ukrainian children because Russians are superior human beings. You have offered no reason why Russia is not able to return evacuated children to their parents or extended family other than "Ukraine started it." I am not disputing whether children should be evacuated from a warzone. They should. But that does not give the invading country the right to ownership over the children and have them forcibly adopted into Russian families. That is a war crime.
Every time CC posts anything, think about how Russia recently released a video showing "Ukrainian" soldiers with a Nazified symbol on their jeep attacking a woman in a car for speaking Russian.
Then the location of the video was identified as a spot that's been 20 miles behind Russian lines since 2014.
Then even the Russians admitted they made it.
CC: Only fools and imbeciles believe anything he says or links to.
Wow, my comment triggered the Nazi, the Tankie, AND the America Firster. The triumvirate of screwed-up worldviews all hate the idea of people who can tell the difference between fact and propaganda.
You just need to figure where being dead is vs. being alive is regarding the morality continuum of child safety. This is the part that keeps messing you up.
You just need to figure where being dead is vs. being alive is regarding the morality continuum of child safety. This is the part that keeps messing you up.
To rehash the Ukrainian fanboys' idiotic position.
Stepan Bandera gunning down Ukrainian children down in cold blood = hero.
Putin kidnapping Ukrainian children and putting them in Russian homes = evil monster
Anyone who doesn't love Ukraine more than America = literally worse than Hitler
You just need to figure where being dead is vs. being alive is regarding the morality continuum of child safety. This is the part that keeps messing you up.
You’re literally cheering on the kidnapping of children by Russians, because otherwise the Russians could murder them. It seems like the real solution would be for Russia to get the f*ck out of Ukraine and not murder or kidnap kids.
"Point conceded" You keep saying that phrase but it does not mean what you think it does. Go back to English school before attempting to spew Russian propaganda on an English-language website.
Also, change your track suit...you've been wearing it for 4 days now and you smell like a combination of fermented cabbage, cheap vodka, and body odor that's been simmering for days in a dank basement.