This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
I suppose it is a “gotcha” that a booster design was imperfect. But we did the studies and designed a better one - hardly a waste of money, those studies!
Yeah, it's not May, but I love it when a true expert undermines your "truth" and can't resist posting it.
So, here we are cutting and pasting a study from the CDC website that suggests only ~ 50% improvement against a currently circulating strain that's on it's way out that mostly benefits old, high risk people, and that, as the paper notes, will likely experience little to no efficacy after several months. With tons of caveats of course. The second study is for 60+ adults. Which, frankly, according to Paul Offit, should be really the only group we are focused on at this point. I don't think anyone is arguing that, so thanks for nothing I guess?
I suppose it is a “gotcha” that a booster design was imperfect. But we did the studies and designed a better one - hardly a waste of money, those studies!
Yeah, it's not May, but I love it when a true expert undermines your "truth" and can't resist posting it.
So, here we are cutting and pasting a study from the CDC website that suggests only ~ 50% improvement against a currently circulating strain that's on it's way out that mostly benefits old, high risk people, and that, as the paper notes, will likely experience little to no efficacy after several months. With tons of caveats of course. The second study is for 60+ adults. Which, frankly, according to Paul Offit, should be really the only group we are focused on at this point. I don't think anyone is arguing that, so thanks for nothing I guess?
“A bunch of people not getting sick this winter is actually meaningless!”
I will take this line of argument vs: vaccines kill millions and COVID is fake.
Well it wasn’t, until it happened very mildly after the bivalent. So we changed our strategy. Things can change, good thing we spend the $ to do the studies and learn.
Uhhh, well, that's a major about face, and, it's still happening, but we don't have "formal studies" to prove it yet. I mean, this is one of the foundational things that you hung your hat on and called anyone who alleged differently or even brought up the possibility a moron and included lots of "data," at the time that showed it wasn't happening. Clueless.
Reductionist nonsense.
Not until serious strain divergence did we see evidence of imprinting. Delta, Omicron, basically no issues. It actually made the most sense to continue hammering those strains in the vaccines to built strong immunity.
With later divergence and, you know, the fact that the original strains don't circulate at all anymore, we target new strains exclusively to better effect. Effectively undoing and possibly earlier imprinting – as the results show!
What the antivaxxers were doing is claiming that imprinting was going to make responses to future strains worse and wacky stuff like we were permanently damaging our immune systems. Comical, fear mongering BS. The latest monovalent booster data shows that you simply need to get the strain targeting correct and you're good to go.
You seem to expect that things never change – and when they do that there is someone to blame. Life must be hard.
I suppose it is a “gotcha” that a booster design was imperfect. But we did the studies and designed a better one - hardly a waste of money, those studies!
Yeah, it's not May, but I love it when a true expert undermines your "truth" and can't resist posting it.
So, here we are cutting and pasting a study from the CDC website that suggests only ~ 50% improvement against a currently circulating strain that's on it's way out that mostly benefits old, high risk people, and that, as the paper notes, will likely experience little to no efficacy after several months. With tons of caveats of course. The second study is for 60+ adults. Which, frankly, according to Paul Offit, should be really the only group we are focused on at this point. I don't think anyone is arguing that, so thanks for nothing I guess?
50% is great considering the baseline of extremely strong immunity from prior vaccines (i.e. not what we would expect with severe imprinting; so you're already just wrong). As we se, it keeps people out of the hospital. I hope you are happy about that.
As I've said before, now that the entire population is strongly protected by vaccines (somehow we all avoided deadly effects of severe imprinting, curious) the absolute risk is really low. High risk people should consider well-targeted boosters like annual flu shots. Lower risk people, it's less important than in 2021 when nobody had immunity.
Still net beneficial, of course, but it's not a catastrophically, terminally moronic choice to skip it like it was when you chose to go unvaxxed and endanger yourself and your family, oh, for the rest of their lives.
Yeah, it's not May, but I love it when a true expert undermines your "truth" and can't resist posting it.
So, here we are cutting and pasting a study from the CDC website that suggests only ~ 50% improvement against a currently circulating strain that's on it's way out that mostly benefits old, high risk people, and that, as the paper notes, will likely experience little to no efficacy after several months. With tons of caveats of course. The second study is for 60+ adults. Which, frankly, according to Paul Offit, should be really the only group we are focused on at this point. I don't think anyone is arguing that, so thanks for nothing I guess?
50% is great considering the baseline of extremely strong immunity from prior vaccines (i.e. not what we would expect with severe imprinting; so you're already just wrong). As we se, it keeps people out of the hospital. I hope you are happy about that.
As I've said before, now that the entire population is strongly protected by vaccines (somehow we all avoided deadly effects of severe imprinting, curious) the absolute risk is really low. High risk people should consider well-targeted boosters like annual flu shots. Lower risk people, it's less important than in 2021 when nobody had immunity.
Still net beneficial, of course, but it's not a catastrophically, terminally moronic choice to skip it like it was when you chose to go unvaxxed and endanger yourself and your family, oh, for the rest of their lives.
Well, the jury is still very much out on subsequent antigenic sin. Of course I'm happy that it "potentially" keeps the elderly (and sickly) out of the hospital for another eight months. That's the target audience. What I can't figure out is why are you suggesting further vaxxing of kids over 6 months old when Paul Offit is saying the exact opposite, that it's better to cultivate immunity naturally, especially when we already have a combination of both vax-induced and natural immunity, as he's been saying for over a year now? Is he just another Vinay Prasad grifter now, who betrays his credentials, and only you know better? Lmao.
If the RCTs have been done over and over and show how beneficial the vaccines are, then why do these guys keep looking at garbage and pasting it?
Hello, Harambro!
Hey, Yolos, this is a serious question as this is actually happening in real time. My college daughter's quadruple-vaxxed roommate is sick with Covid. What advice should I give my unvaccinated but naturally immune daughter?
1.) Go to the emergency room right away?
2.) Get out of dodge and check into a Holiday Inn Express for a week? Hope the professors who aren't remote enabled will be understanding?
3.) Go to Walgreens and get vaccinated, stat?
4.) Take lots of vitamin D and C, possibly something like Xlear but remain on campus and in class if asymptomatic?
Yeah, it's not May, but I love it when a true expert undermines your "truth" and can't resist posting it.
So, here we are cutting and pasting a study from the CDC website that suggests only ~ 50% improvement against a currently circulating strain that's on it's way out that mostly benefits old, high risk people, and that, as the paper notes, will likely experience little to no efficacy after several months. With tons of caveats of course. The second study is for 60+ adults. Which, frankly, according to Paul Offit, should be really the only group we are focused on at this point. I don't think anyone is arguing that, so thanks for nothing I guess?
“A bunch of people not getting sick this winter is actually meaningless!”
I will take this line of argument vs: vaccines kill millions and COVID is fake.
I like you
“You’re wrong. I’m right.” With no evidence. 😂
800 pages of this from Harambro, folks. Why should we expect anything different.
Hey, Yolos, this is a serious question as this is actually happening in real time. My college daughter's quadruple-vaxxed roommate is sick with Covid. What advice should I give my unvaccinated but naturally immune daughter?
1.) Go to the emergency room right away?
2.) Get out of dodge and check into a Holiday Inn Express for a week? Hope the professors who aren't remote enabled will be understanding?
3.) Go to Walgreens and get vaccinated, stat?
4.) Take lots of vitamin D and C, possibly something like Xlear but remain on campus and in class if asymptomatic?
5.) Do nothing and don't tell anyone?
6. Roommate needs to get 5th and 6th shot.
Harambro is the self-proclaimed expert. I’d love to hear what he has to say. I hope he doesn’t have to turn in his vaxtard card after he answers.
50% is great considering the baseline of extremely strong immunity from prior vaccines (i.e. not what we would expect with severe imprinting; so you're already just wrong). As we se, it keeps people out of the hospital. I hope you are happy about that.
As I've said before, now that the entire population is strongly protected by vaccines (somehow we all avoided deadly effects of severe imprinting, curious) the absolute risk is really low. High risk people should consider well-targeted boosters like annual flu shots. Lower risk people, it's less important than in 2021 when nobody had immunity.
Still net beneficial, of course, but it's not a catastrophically, terminally moronic choice to skip it like it was when you chose to go unvaxxed and endanger yourself and your family, oh, for the rest of their lives.
Well, the jury is still very much out on subsequent antigenic sin. Of course I'm happy that it "potentially" keeps the elderly (and sickly) out of the hospital for another eight months. That's the target audience. What I can't figure out is why are you suggesting further vaxxing of kids over 6 months old when Paul Offit is saying the exact opposite, that it's better to cultivate immunity naturally, especially when we already have a combination of both vax-induced and natural immunity, as he's been saying for over a year now? Is he just another Vinay Prasad grifter now, who betrays his credentials, and only you know better? Lmao.
He's not saying it's better to get covid than get vaccinated. Delusional and dangerous.
He's saying that improperly targeted boosters may not be helpful. Good thing we learned from that and have better targeted ones now. Problem solved. 2022 was a long time ago.
Hey, Yolos, this is a serious question as this is actually happening in real time. My college daughter's quadruple-vaxxed roommate is sick with Covid. What advice should I give my unvaccinated but naturally immune daughter?
1.) Go to the emergency room right away?
2.) Get out of dodge and check into a Holiday Inn Express for a week? Hope the professors who aren't remote enabled will be understanding?
3.) Go to Walgreens and get vaccinated, stat?
4.) Take lots of vitamin D and C, possibly something like Xlear but remain on campus and in class if asymptomatic?
5.) Do nothing and don't tell anyone?
I wish her well. Two unvaxxed COVID infections is marginally worse for long-term sequelae than one.
Was her first exposure Omicron? Her natural immunity against new strains is especially poor then.
Clearly you're ok gambling with her long term health already so I wouldn't suggest doing anything – too late for vaccination obviously.
Hey, Yolos, this is a serious question as this is actually happening in real time. My college daughter's quadruple-vaxxed roommate is sick with Covid. What advice should I give my unvaccinated but naturally immune daughter?
1.) Go to the emergency room right away?
2.) Get out of dodge and check into a Holiday Inn Express for a week? Hope the professors who aren't remote enabled will be understanding?
3.) Go to Walgreens and get vaccinated, stat?
4.) Take lots of vitamin D and C, possibly something like Xlear but remain on campus and in class if asymptomatic?
5.) Do nothing and don't tell anyone?
I wish her well. Two unvaxxed COVID infections is marginally worse for long-term sequelae than one.
Was her first exposure Omicron? Her natural immunity against new strains is especially poor then.
Clearly you're ok gambling with her long term health already so I wouldn't suggest doing anything – too late for vaccination obviously.
Nevertheless, the general trend of higher effectiveness of the bivalent booster than the second monovalent booster in our review supports the rationale behind the current policy of reformulating COVID-19 vaccines annually to match current circulating variants, similar to what is done for other respiratory illnesses such as influenza.
The much maligned bivalent booster still worked quite well!
Hey, Yolos, this is a serious question as this is actually happening in real time. My college daughter's quadruple-vaxxed roommate is sick with Covid. What advice should I give my unvaccinated but naturally immune daughter?
1.) Go to the emergency room right away?
2.) Get out of dodge and check into a Holiday Inn Express for a week? Hope the professors who aren't remote enabled will be understanding?
3.) Go to Walgreens and get vaccinated, stat?
4.) Take lots of vitamin D and C, possibly something like Xlear but remain on campus and in class if asymptomatic?
I wish her well. Two unvaxxed COVID infections is marginally worse for long-term sequelae than one.
Was her first exposure Omicron? Her natural immunity against new strains is especially poor then.
Clearly you're ok gambling with her long term health already so I wouldn't suggest doing anything – too late for vaccination obviously.
What do you suggest she do NOW.
Since no one has given you any constructive feedback, here are the first things I'd consider.
1. Staying the same room overnight for several days guarantees exposure so I would suggest that your daughter suggest that her roommate leave (go home?) until she tests negative. It's irresponsible for her roommate to attend classes or move around on campus while she is infectious.
If the roommate is unwilling or unable to move out, then your daughter should move out until her roommate tests negative. She could stay on an inflatable mattress or a sofa in another friends room, for example. It's only for a week or so.
2. She should also take vitamin D3 + K.... maybe 10,000 IU/day for a week. It's a little too late to get a benefit from vitamin D, but since she's not sick yet, it won't hurt and it might help.
3. She should use an antivirus nasal spray twice a day and anytime after she has been exposed to her roommate. Not much data on this, but again, it can't hurt. XClear and Povidone Iodine nasal sprays have been shown to kill viruses.
4. If she stays, she should urge her sick roommate to use an antiviral nasal spray 4x/day. If it reduces the virial load in the nasal passage, it could potentially prevent her roommate from spraying it around the room as she talks, laughs, sneezes, etc.
There is a covid infection protocol on the FLCCC website. You can check it out for more suggestions.
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