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So 1500 new tanks joining many older ones. Good find. Thanks.
Now, let's compare troop numbers for all of 2023...13 -
ceccione wrote:
So 1500 new tanks joining many older ones. Good find. Thanks.
Now, let's compare troop numbers for all of 2023...I see there are two problems. First, you don't know what the word "new" means. Merriam-Webster defines it as, "having recently come into existence". Therefore, to say that Russia will have 1500 new tanks this year that were built in the 1960s is illiterate gibberish. Second, you believe anything that comes out the Russian Nazi leader's mouths. So, when Medvedev says "1500 new tanks will be built this year" he means "15 new tanks will be built in Russia this year and 2000 Russian tanks will be lost in Ukraine." Russia was supposed to produce 2300 T-14 tanks between 2015 and 2020. To date they've produced on the order of 3. Therefore, history tells us that Russia will produce 1500 new tanks sometime around 2045, give or take a year or two. By next year they'll be pulling T-34s off of monuments to send to Ukraine.
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Congrats. That wasn't coherent at all.
Found the Ukraine tanks with Nazi symbols on them. So Russia can target them easier.
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ceccione wrote:
Congrats. That wasn't coherent at all.
Found the Ukraine tanks with Nazi symbols on them. So Russia can target them easier.
I guess my use of the complicated word "new" may have thrown you off. But, glad to see you're changing topics since you don't understand how stupid you sound parroting Medvedev's talking points. Next thing you know you'll be babbling about Nazis in Ukraine like a deranged moron.
Or is your point that Ukraine has trainloads of tanks arriving to the front that are far superior to the T-55s that Russia is sending? I can only assume that's what you meant to demonstrate by posting a photo of a trainload of Ukrainian tanks ready to kill Russia Nazi invaders.
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Maybe the Taliban can help Ukraine?
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ceccione wrote:
So 1500 new tanks joining many older ones. Good find. Thanks.
Now, let's compare troop numbers for all of 2023...Those are not new tanks. Those are T-62s, which are Soviet era tanks that have been brought out of mothballs due to the massive number of tanks RU has lost. The tanks are supposed to have upgraded gunner sights, but that is about it (and given the endemic corruption in the Russian MOD and defense industry, I would not count on that many having upgraded sights). They do not have an auto loader and have inferior armor to RU's T-72 and T-80s. They are easier to maintain, which may help RU overcome its inept battlefield logistics. But otherwise it is a significant downgrade in capabilities at a time with UA is going to be getting significant upgrades in armored vehicles and tanks.
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Nice to see Putin doing his best to embarrass Xi.
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One of the most heart-warming stories I’ve read today:
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It's being reported that 18 Leopard 2 tanks and 40 Marder infantry fighting vehicles pledged by Germany have been delivered to Ukraine. I believe these are the first western heavy tanks to arrive in Ukraine.
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I guess we'll get to see what happens when a Leopard 2 takes on a T-54/55.
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Here is your pine cone wrote:
Nice to see Putin doing his best to embarrass Xi.
There are reports that Ukraine sent a request through diplomatic channels for a meeting between Xi and Zelensky to discuss China's peace "plan" and the Chinese have yet to respond, despite Xi's recent visit to Russia. China really holds the key to ending the war as China is currently propping up Russia's government by buying all the oil and gas that RU cannot sell to the west anymore. China just has to tell Putin "enough is enough" and threaten to stop economic support and Putin will have no choice but to comply. Likewise, China can put pressure on Ukraine and the west by threatening to send military aid to Russia if the war continues. China has all the cards, but really does not seem to have any interest in playing them right now. China's peace "plan" looks to be just a propaganda ploy to make China appear to be on the side of peace when the war is actually very good for China. Chinese exports to Russia are surging, especially in the auto sector where Russians are grudgingly switching to buying overpriced and low quality Chinese autos as wester autos disappear from the market. China is also saving billions on energy bills with RU oil and gas being sold at a steep discount. China may actually want a long conflict between Russia and Ukraine more than any country as China has no downside to a long conflict as long as it does not cause a broader global recession.
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But you see, by 2028 there will be 300 of these 1500 new old tanks this year. These tanks will also dramatically increase Russia's supply of Javelin, NLAW, Excalibur and ATGM warheads for study. Victory is in sight!
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Precious Roy wrote:
Here is your pine cone wrote:
Nice to see Putin doing his best to embarrass Xi.
There are reports that Ukraine sent a request through diplomatic channels for a meeting between Xi and Zelensky to discuss China's peace "plan" and the Chinese have yet to respond, despite Xi's recent visit to Russia. China really holds the key to ending the war as China is currently propping up Russia's government by buying all the oil and gas that RU cannot sell to the west anymore. China just has to tell Putin "enough is enough" and threaten to stop economic support and Putin will have no choice but to comply. Likewise, China can put pressure on Ukraine and the west by threatening to send military aid to Russia if the war continues. China has all the cards, but really does not seem to have any interest in playing them right now. China's peace "plan" looks to be just a propaganda ploy to make China appear to be on the side of peace when the war is actually very good for China. Chinese exports to Russia are surging, especially in the auto sector where Russians are grudgingly switching to buying overpriced and low quality Chinese autos as wester autos disappear from the market. China is also saving billions on energy bills with RU oil and gas being sold at a steep discount. China may actually want a long conflict between Russia and Ukraine more than any country as China has no downside to a long conflict as long as it does not cause a broader global recession.
Agree with your summary. I don't think China has any interest in rocking the proverbial boat, as they have little to gain and much to lose by directly sending military aid to Russia. Their peace plan was standard Chinese diplomacy - long on rhetoric, but short on details. It would be huge diplomatic win for China if they could be seen (on the global stage) as peacemakers in this conflict, but they haven't done much to step up to the plate. As you said, they're benefiting more than any other country from the ongoing conflict.
The other recent event that may play an interesting role in Sino-Russian relations is the attack on Chinese workers at the Chimbolo gold mine in Cameroon. There are many reports that Wagner group was behind the massacre, and Xi has called for "severe punishment" for those responsible. It will be interesting to see how that plays out if further evidence emerges implicating Wagner group.
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By the time this is over there will be over 300,000 dead Russian troops and no gains at all. With Putin fearing for his life.
Was this invade Ukraine a stupid idea or what?
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Gotta love it and I do
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For those dumb enough to believe Putin and say 'this is what he has been saying all along so we should believe him' here's a way better explanation of Putin's reason for war. Putin simply could not have a Slavic former soviet nation become wealthy and democratic. He knew that fever would spread to Russia and end his Tzardom.
Fred Hoffman, D.Sc.
@InfoAgeStrategy
Here's why I believe Ukraine was, and remains, such a threat to Vladimir #Putin: In 1989, Putin was a KGB officer in Dresden when the Berlin Wall fell and communism collapsed. How did that collapse happen? East Germans who were (illegally) watching West German TV saw that their neighbors to the West had a life, and lifestyle, far superior to the one in East Germany. More freedom. More income. More opportunities. Better quality of life. So, East Germans voted with their feet and fled. Putin soon experienced the collapse of East German firsthand.
Today, Putin's worst nightmare is a #Ukraine that holds free and fair elections, and has a free media, human rights, freedom of speech and religion. Ukraine, Russia's neighbor, already has a higher standard of living than Russia. Ukraine has not yet reached its potential, but unlike #Russia, they've already made some significant strides in that direction. (Compare the respective trajectories of North and South Korea since 1970 if you want to see a historical precedent.)
A successful #Ukraine is simply a ticking time bomb for an autocratic revanchist Tsar in the Kremlin, plain and simple. So yes, you could say that Ukraine was an existential threat to Putin's kleptocratic regime. But not for the absurd reasons the #Kremlin has claimed.10 -
Precious Roy wrote:
ceccione wrote:
So 1500 new tanks joining many older ones. Good find. Thanks.
Now, let's compare troop numbers for all of 2023...Those are not new tanks. Those are T-62s, which are Soviet era tanks that have been brought out of mothballs due to the massive number of tanks RU has lost. The tanks are supposed to have upgraded gunner sights, but that is about it (and given the endemic corruption in the Russian MOD and defense industry, I would not count on that many having upgraded sights). They do not have an auto loader and have inferior armor to RU's T-72 and T-80s. They are easier to maintain, which may help RU overcome its inept battlefield logistics. But otherwise it is a significant downgrade in capabilities at a time with UA is going to be getting significant upgrades in armored vehicles and tanks.
I'm just impressed they can get these things running after sitting 60 years in a field somewhere. I once read that Russians engineer their weapons of war with the following remit:
An illiterate farmer finds the weapon sitting in the mud after a few days. The illiterate farmer must be able to clean the weapon and use it without instructions or new parts.
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agip wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
Those are not new tanks. Those are T-62s, which are Soviet era tanks that have been brought out of mothballs due to the massive number of tanks RU has lost. The tanks are supposed to have upgraded gunner sights, but that is about it (and given the endemic corruption in the Russian MOD and defense industry, I would not count on that many having upgraded sights). They do not have an auto loader and have inferior armor to RU's T-72 and T-80s. They are easier to maintain, which may help RU overcome its inept battlefield logistics. But otherwise it is a significant downgrade in capabilities at a time with UA is going to be getting significant upgrades in armored vehicles and tanks.
I'm just impressed they can get these things running after sitting 60 years in a field somewhere. I once read that Russians engineer their weapons of war with the following remit:
An illiterate farmer finds the weapon sitting in the mud after a few days. The illiterate farmer must be able to clean the weapon and use it without instructions or new parts.
That's why the AK 47 is the official gun of third world armies.
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