This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
Tetanus vaccine = extremely low absolute risk. Likely less of a risk-reward than the COVID vax.
Antivaxxers: "nobody disagrees"
They just don't like the COVID vaccine. They can't explain why. Just contrarianism.
“I am rational except when I’m not”
You really are insufferable, in addition to being utterly disingenuous. Yes, the kill rate from tetanus and HIV is so, so, so comparable to Covid. We really are comparing apples to apples folks when talking about the necessity and utility of the vaccine! Trust me!
You really are insufferable, in addition to being utterly disingenuous. Yes, the kill rate from tetanus and HIV is so, so, so comparable to Covid. We really are comparing apples to apples folks when talking about the necessity and utility of the vaccine! Trust me!
True. Tetanus kills way, way less people in the US than COVID. That's why we should vaccinate for it but not for COVID.
You really are insufferable, in addition to being utterly disingenuous. Yes, the kill rate from tetanus and HIV is so, so, so comparable to Covid. We really are comparing apples to apples folks when talking about the necessity and utility of the vaccine! Trust me!
Hey. Give him credit. He's doing the best he can. He’s working with “limited resources,” if you know what I mean. 😂
I need to tell myself that you are a condescending narcissist, an irrational person who can't see the obvious when it comes to the world's #1 ranked tennis player, the winner of 3 of the last fine 5 slams, and someone who very childishly steals people's handles when he doesn't like the trajectory of the dialogue. And, as predicted, you need to prove me right. Over and over. Because humility and "maybe I'm wrong" is not in your vocab.
You admitted he is 'aging out.' We simply disagree on the why.
Yeah, except I didn't, but why would I expect the cheating handle stealer to accurately characterize what was actually said? Which was,
"You can acknowledge that to the extent Djokovic is declining at all, it's far more likely he's aging out." The operative words are 'to the extent he's declining at all.'
Djokovic is, no doubt, going to retire before age 40. And it will have nothing to do with long Covid or myocarditis or pulmonary embolism owing to the vaccine.
But, you are an unapologetic narcissist. It's like everytime I post, you have to say "I agree." Harambro, you are a smug, arrogant fool. Harambe: "Yes, I agree, and what I'm about to write will unequivocally prove it too."
You really are insufferable, in addition to being utterly disingenuous. Yes, the kill rate from tetanus and HIV is so, so, so comparable to Covid. We really are comparing apples to apples folks when talking about the necessity and utility of the vaccine! Trust me!
True. Tetanus kills way, way less people in the US than COVID. That's why we should vaccinate for it but not for COVID.
Wait.....
When you are in cognitive decline because of long vax, you get this, folks. 😂
He’s gojj in my to be mad now. Everyone hold onto their usernames. 😛
You really are insufferable, in addition to being utterly disingenuous. Yes, the kill rate from tetanus and HIV is so, so, so comparable to Covid. We really are comparing apples to apples folks when talking about the necessity and utility of the vaccine! Trust me!
True. Tetanus kills way, way less people in the US than COVID. That's why we should vaccinate for it but not for COVID.
Wait.....
Yeah, except we are talking about unvaccinated tetanus versus unvaccinated Covid. Argumentation not your strong suit. Yeah, we know. So, stick to registering handles.
True. Tetanus kills way, way less people in the US than COVID. That's why we should vaccinate for it but not for COVID.
Wait.....
Yeah, except we are talking about unvaccinated tetanus versus unvaccinated Covid. Argumentation not your strong suit. Yeah, we know. So, stick to registering handles.
Lol. It’s been a bad day for Hamrambro. Time to head back to the sty little piggy. Tomorrow is a new day. 😀
I need to tell myself that you are a condescending narcissist, an irrational person who can't see the obvious when it comes to the world's #1 ranked tennis player, the winner of 3 of the last fine 5 slams, and someone who very childishly steals people's handles when he doesn't like the trajectory of the dialogue. And, as predicted, you need to prove me right. Over and over. Because humility and "maybe I'm wrong" is not in your vocab.
You admitted he is 'aging out.' We simply disagree on the why.
This guy is a f u c king liar, in addition to being a cheater and an egomaniac. Why anyone would listen to him is beyond any of us.
The data from early 1900s hasn't changed. Rather than deceptive graphs, here are the actual death numbers of measles *prior* to the measles vaccine drug being available:
I posted a very important presentation by the President of the Infectious Disease Society of America. This is one of the scientists who was most responsible to the study of infectious diseases in the U.S. It is interesting that pharma reps will even turn on these scientists when it doesn't suit their agenda.
I think people should go to independent experts to get information about vaccines rather than govt officials or those paid by pharma. There are other studies available looking at possible benefits of vaccines such as this one:
I suggest looking at available numbers for deaths and hospitalizations for all of the childhood diseases prior to the availability of various drugs. As long as people look at various independent sources, I'm happy with whatever they decide to do in this free society.
True. Tetanus kills way, way less people in the US than COVID. That's why we should vaccinate for it but not for COVID.
Wait.....
Yeah, except we are talking about unvaccinated tetanus versus unvaccinated Covid. Argumentation not your strong suit. Yeah, we know. So, stick to registering handles.
Did you know COVID killed more people in 2 years than Polio ever did in the US in 200+? Before and after the vaccine?
The absolute risk of dying from COVID orders of magnitude higher for virtually all populations vs the lifetime risk of dying the tetanus. Regardless of vaccination status.
The data from early 1900s hasn't changed. Rather than deceptive graphs, here are the actual death numbers of measles *prior* to the measles vaccine drug being available:
I posted a very important presentation by the President of the Infectious Disease Society of America. This is one of the scientists who was most responsible to the study of infectious diseases in the U.S. It is interesting that pharma reps will even turn on these scientists when it doesn't suit their agenda.
I think people should go to independent experts to get information about vaccines rather than govt officials or those paid by pharma. There are other studies available looking at possible benefits of vaccines such as this one:
I suggest looking at available numbers for deaths and hospitalizations for all of the childhood diseases prior to the availability of various drugs. As long as people look at various independent sources, I'm happy with whatever they decide to do in this free society.
What was the IFR, hospitalization rate and long term outcomes from infectious childhood diseases before and after vaccination? What’s the fatality rate now?
Your independent experts from the 1970s would be rather impressed at the gains since then.
Do you support childhood vaccination? Sub9 assured me that no one is against vaccination for his allowed diseases!
You can acknowledge that to the extent Djokovic is declining at all, it's far more likely he's aging out. Almost impossible to play high level tennis at age 32, let alone, 36
This guy is a f u c king liar, in addition to being a cheater and an egomaniac. Why anyone would listen to him is beyond any of us.
😂😂😂
“Harambitch” the “mocker” and “fag”
is now a “cheater” and “egomaniac”
Wondering why you’re still here!
Never used the word fag, and he is liar, cheater, and egomaniac. He has provided plenty of evidence.
I know, you ought to be wondering why I'm still here after regstering six of my previous handles. I'm here to continually call you out on your narcissism, lack of humility, arrogance, and disingenuousness.
And to remind you, that, despite your hopes and prayers, Djokovic will go down in history as the greatest who ever played the game.
Yeah, except we are talking about unvaccinated tetanus versus unvaccinated Covid. Argumentation not your strong suit. Yeah, we know. So, stick to registering handles.
Did you know COVID killed more people in 2 years than Polio ever did in the US in 200+? Before and after the vaccine?
The absolute risk of dying from COVID orders of magnitude higher for virtually all populations vs the lifetime risk of dying the tetanus. Regardless of vaccination status.
Just clueless, unhinged, spam from you.
Now we are talking about polio? Can't we just stick to HIV and tetanus instead of moving the goalposts yet again?
Pretty much everyone is inoculated versus tetanus in infancy. It's not even remotely the same thing. Tetanus is pretty deadly if not vaccinated against and left untreated, quite unlike Covid in most age and risk categories.
Human infectious diseases may be characterized by their case fatality rate (CFR), the proportion of people diagnosed with a disease who die from it (cf. mortality rate). It should not be confused with the infection fatality r...
The data from early 1900s hasn't changed. Rather than deceptive graphs, here are the actual death numbers of measles *prior* to the measles vaccine drug being available:
I posted a very important presentation by the President of the Infectious Disease Society of America. This is one of the scientists who was most responsible to the study of infectious diseases in the U.S. It is interesting that pharma reps will even turn on these scientists when it doesn't suit their agenda.
I think people should go to independent experts to get information about vaccines rather than govt officials or those paid by pharma. There are other studies available looking at possible benefits of vaccines such as this one:
I suggest looking at available numbers for deaths and hospitalizations for all of the childhood diseases prior to the availability of various drugs. As long as people look at various independent sources, I'm happy with whatever they decide to do in this free society.
What was the IFR, hospitalization rate and long term outcomes from infectious childhood diseases before and after vaccination? What’s the fatality rate now?
Your independent experts from the 1970s would be rather impressed at the gains since then.
Do you support childhood vaccination? Sub9 assured me that no one is against vaccination for his allowed diseases!
I support looking at the numbers prior to various drugs and vaccination drugs being available. If there are numbers only for deaths prior to the drugs being available, then that is all we have to look at. I also support looking at each condition separately. As an example: Since the death rate for measles in the U.S. went down from 13.2/100k to 0.2/100k prior to the vaccine drugs, I support looking for independent information as to whether the vaccine drug eliminated the 0.2/100k deaths or whether it was just a continuation of the downtrend cause by other improvements.
There are three common ingredients in vaccine drugs that can have neurotoxic effects. I would support independent research into the long-term effects (if any) on these ingredients (when combined in one shot and then subsequently given in many shots over several years). There is no reason not to provide such information for vaccine drugs or any drug for that matter.
P.S., if the definition of one or more of the common childhood illness changed at some point, that would be an important piece of information to consider (obviously).
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This guy is a f u c king liar, in addition to being a cheater and an egomaniac. Why anyone would listen to him is beyond any of us.
😂😂😂
“Harambitch” the “mocker” and “fag”
is now a “cheater” and “egomaniac”
Wondering why you’re still here!
But you're right. "He's" not worth responding to anymore. So I'll just stick with "you" and pretend it's different. We'll pretend that Djokovic only gets under "his" skin, not yours.