What are your thoughts about November 24th 2013, when neo-nazis in Ukraine turned a peaceful protest into a violent one, starting events leading to war? Ukraine’s neo-nazis started everything.
The majority of the 2013 Maidan protestors were peaceful. Then neo-nazis on their side came and ruined it for them. And they made it much worse by traveling to the Donbas to start killing ethnic Russian, minority people, drawing the attention of Russia. Ukraine’s neo-nazi problem has doomed the country into a terrible predicament. The peaceful Ukrainians never kept their idiots in check. Now they all suffer collectively as a result.
So why wasn't all that taken care of back in 2013? Why wait until 2021 to pull what we are seeing now?
Why try and wipe out innocent people, why destroy buildings? Well the guy goofed as we seeing, and when this is over and Russia is whipped and Putin is fearing for his life, we will talk again. You will regret taking the stance you have.
That Russian army sucks so long and hard they had to call in help, talk about sad there it is.
"So why wasn't all that taken care of back in 2013?"
That's not a response to my question. It's a concession of the point via evasion. Moving on to later events while ranting does not explain the origin of this war. It is why you are trying to run away.
Step 1: assess responsibility
Happy to talk about anything else after we nail down the cause of the war.
Can you elaborate your thoughts about November 24th 2013 which started everything, regarding the very first violence by either side? If you don't, you are admitting Ukraine's neo-nazis started the very first violence that ultimately led to this war.
Why is there a red & black UPA / neo-nazi flag at the 0:42 mark of this 2013 video but there are no Russians anywhere?
video description translated:
"Unknown radicals in masks tried to storm the president's administration - they drove an excavator under the building, with which they tried to break through a fence made of metal shields, behind which stands a golden eagle in armor. They threw firecrackers and smoke grenades at them. However,ordinary protesters stood in the way of the radicals - who shouted "this is a provocation" and asked the Berkut not to react to the attack."
Here's what happens when your Ukrainian neo-nazi friends crash the house party, trash the house, then cause a full blown war:
Штурмувати адміністрацію президента намагалися невідомі радикали у масках - під будівлю підігнали екскаватор, яким спробували пробити огорожу з металевих щит...
About 300,000 protestors packed into Independence Square in central Kiev to voice their fury with president Viktor Yanukovych who has vetoed a deal for closer ties with the EU.
A generation of Ukrainian men (and more) are being wiped out because Ukraine could not control their Nazi problem during peaceful protests in 2013. Then, america blocked peace attempts to make $$$ for its own MIC. Most the Ukrainian men are not neo-nazis and could care less about UPA/ OUN patriotism. The neo-nazi state government doesn't care about them.
Ukrainians are easy pickens for Russian air superiority, whether they are neo-nazis or not.
Hundreds of Lancet drones film their approach to the target every day. This video is then mixed with the video of an observation drone.
More Ukrainians die because of grenades dropped onto them.
The Russian drone operators basically play “video games” all day. Just like the US drone operators, but with cheaper drones. pic.twitter.com/E84kVxw3DC
— Make Peace Now; alternative news (@AlternatNews) March 25, 2023
Boy, if only someone could have predicted this a year ago… LOL…
That’s right- WE DID! …as the loonies around here denied reality, deleted truthful posts about how the rest of the world views this sham, and parroted the fake news that Ukraine was winning this war about dEmOcWaThY. Now all of BRICS+ has formally made it clear they DO NOT stand with US/NATO in this absurd proxy war. Friggin Mexico is on the verge of joining BRICS+ now!
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Your side started it, November 2013. I've always had the point. You never have.
People in this thread were left unchallenged for too long. Maybe there were others before me who also noted the truth of your side starting the very first violence in 2013. Anyway, I am and you have lost as a result.
If you want to go down this rabbit hole, then you should also be aware that Russia started the violence (in addition to launching a trade war with Ukraine).
On 17 July 2013 near the Russian coast of the Sea of Azov, considered internal waters of both Russia and Ukraine (no boundary delimitation), a Russian coast guard patrol boat collided with a Ukrainian fishing vessel.[116] Four fishermen died[117] while one was detained by Russian authorities on charges of poaching.[118]According to the surviving fisherman, their boat was rammed by the Russians[119] and the fishermen were fired at as well, while Russian law enforcement agencies claimed that it was the poachers who tried to ram into the patrol vessel.[120] The Minister of Justice of Ukraine Olena Lukash acknowledged that Russia has no jurisdiction to prosecute the detained citizen of Ukraine.[121]
What revolution/war did your July 2013 strawman fishing incident trigger, November 2013 Maidan?
Now that you admit your side triggered the violence leading to war, why are you attempting to justify ethnic cleansing of unarmed civilian minorities by neo-nazis after they started the very first violence?
You are championing ethnic cleansing by neo-nazis.
Can you find a Nazi slogan chosen by the Russian government and used to blackmail Russians into begging for food rations? That is what the Ukraine government is doing to its own people right now:
Japan and NATO nations are helping tons too. Everyone needs Russian oil and some are breaking the price cap to get it. The realignment of global trade and financial settlements is being re-written by BRICS+. BDS the PetroTerrorismDollar and that is exactly what's happening. Humanity needs a break from death and destruction of america's failed global hegemony. america has failed to be a steward for and of humanity. Even China is better regarding the treatment of Muslims. That's how bad america is.
While the West is in turmoil about the banks, China cuts its US treasury holdings to the lowest level since the global financial crisis. And the sales are accelerating.
-Xi tells him to "SIT!" "STAY!" "HEEL!" and refuses to bring Vladdy his favorite toys.
-T-54s (40s technology) hosed off and sent to the front as "Rolling caskets for four brothers".
-Prighosian with one foot out the door in Bakhmut after seven months of Russian carnage.
-Body double went to Mariupol in the night and got heckled from the window by a babushka for being a pathetic phony.
-Days after his housebreaking visit, Xi calling a confab of ex-Soviet Asian satellite states giving them a chance to hop from the sinking ship of "Z" and onto the massive cruiser of "Xi".
-Winter ended and EuroGas prices at a two-year low.
Almost feel bad for the little Pr*ck....NAH
How could I forget the highlight: Declared a war criminal by the ICC and a warrant issued!
What revolution/war did your July 2013 strawman fishing incident trigger, November 2013 Maidan?
Yes. Thanks for catching up.
Yes, now we are all caught up on an unrelated fishing incident. Well done.
Thank you for you for conceding the point, again, November 2013 Maidan. No need to pull out the tin foil though. People can read what you write. Everyone can see your psychological pants are around your ankles.
Before you said "The war started by the Russian Nazis" but you couldn’t find any evidence. Now you've done it again.
The article below goes into great detail, proving how your fishing incident theory depleted your areas supply of tin foil, redirecting it all to your mother's basement.
On September 4, Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich called a meeting of his political party for the first time in three years, summoning members to an old Soviet-era cinema called Zoryany in Kiev.
Russia hasn’t produced 1500 tanks in the last 10 years combined. There’s a better chance of you winning the Nobel Prize in chemistry this year than of Russia producing 1500 tanks.
"The war started by the Russian Nazis" only you can’t find any evidence, November 24th 2013.
Lol. Good times...
Meanwhile Ukraine's government is decorating their newly donated tanks with Nazi insignia. Won't find that on Russian tanks:
Ukrainians are already decorating the newly supplied tanks with NAZI symbols. 14 = Adolf Hitler and 88 = Heil Hitler. There goes our tax money, to support Neo Nazis in Ukraine👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇 pic.twitter.com/d9yEyP3A07
You just got shown evidence that Russian Navy Nazis killed four unarmed Ukrainian fisherman in July, 2103 in response to Ukraine making arrangements to sign the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement.
Then, in 2014, the Russian/Wagner neo-Nazi army invaded Crimea, really starting the war between Russia and Ukraine.
Nobody did a thing after July 2013. No revolution. no fighting. Nothing.
Point conceded.
Search "Maidan" to learn more about your loss, November 24th 2013. That's when the very first violence was committed by Ukraine neo-nazis. Everything after this day means little. Everything is based from this day. It was the turning point and Russia was nowhere near Ukraine then.
Is it better for Russian social services to take children out of a war zone...
or
... is it better to kill children with weapons? Or publicly tortured on poles? Or beaten publicly with a dildo?
Is it better for Russian social services to take children out of a war zone...
or
... is it better to kill children with weapons? Or publicly tortured on poles? Or beaten publicly with a dildo?
Given those two options? Definitely the second one. That’s how bad an existence in Putin’s Nazi Russia is. Better to die in Ukraine than to live in Russia. 70k Russian soldiers have made that very choice.
Russia hasn’t produced 1500 tanks in the last 10 years combined. There’s a better chance of you winning the Nobel Prize in chemistry this year than of Russia producing 1500 tanks.
But it is Medvedev, Putins trusted Goebbels wannabe. It's not like he asking you to believe that some random numbers are Nazi insignia! 🤣🤪🤣
Children being kept safe by social services in Russia, away from a war zone
Does keeping children safe also mean telling them that their Ukrainian parents abandoned them and don't love them anymore? The Russians seem to have a bizarre definition of safety.
Funny, now there's an ICC indictment for war crimes that Russia boasted about committing on TV, the Russians are suddenly starting to look for ways to send the Ukrainian kids home.
