This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
“Sudden” and “unexpected” deaths have almost DOUBLED since the rollout of the so-called COVID-19 vaccines, according to obituary database. “At this point, a young person dying unexpectedly, to me, unfortunately, it is the vaccine until proven otherwise,” says Dr. @PierreKory .
The is the foil in Harambro’s plan to outlast us all. Since he got the shots, there’s a greater chance he will “die suddenly.” I hope this doesn’t happen, but the diagnosis isn’t good.
“Sudden” and “unexpected” deaths have almost DOUBLED since the rollout of the so-called COVID-19 vaccines, according to obituary database. “At this point, a young person dying unexpectedly, to me, unfortunately, it is the vaccine until proven otherwise,” says Dr. @PierreKory .
The is the foil in Harambro’s plan to outlast us all. Since he got the shots, there’s a greater chance he will “die suddenly.” I hope this doesn’t happen, but the diagnosis isn’t good.
The chance of the vaccinated dying suddenly is of course much higher than the non jabbed. But it's still low based on the data so far. Hope it does not get worse
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The is the foil in Harambro’s plan to outlast us all. Since he got the shots, there’s a greater chance he will “die suddenly.” I hope this doesn’t happen, but the diagnosis isn’t good.
The chance of the vaccinated dying suddenly is of course much higher than the non jabbed. But it's still low based on the data so far. Hope it does not get worse
Agreed
Unlike Harambro, I don’t revel in the death of others - vaccinated or unvaccinated.
Remember, the comparison groups here are already very well protected — the booster is working great!
Explain this to me in tennis terms
Not really possible but I'll try. Randomresponder has challenged you to an easy, jovial game on the hardcourt. Your serve and volley game is not bad, enough to keep him interested. He keeps hitting lobs when you are at the net, given you ample opportunity to hit overhead smash winners. But, he puts just enough topspin on them, and they keep going over your head and kick off the baseline after you miss them. You get pissy and become a poor sport and decide you never liked the game and want to quit playing.
Remember, the comparison groups here are already very well protected — the booster is working great!
More data that doesn't really tell us anything. I'm shocked this would actually be suitable enough for you. Nobody cares. You have immunity, I have immunity, Djokovic has immunity, we're all good, and Covid has dissipated. Thanks be to God.
"These early estimates include the period only through 119 days since vaccination, a relatively brief postvaccination period, with no substantial waning. Because consistent patterns of waning VE were observed after original monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 vaccination, waning of VE is expected with more time since updated vaccination, especially against less severe outcomes such as symptomatic infection. Additional analyses conducted at longer intervals since authorization of updated vaccines are needed for continued monitoring of expected waning and to determine how well vaccines are working to prevent severe disease."
Lots of coulds and woulds in here. Lame:
"Self-reported frequency of previous infections >90 days before testing differed by vaccination status and SGTF status, but statistical power was not adequate for stratification of results. Further, previous infection is likely underreported (7).
"Previous infection provides some protection against repeat infection (8) and U.S. adults have a high prevalence of infection-induced SARS-CoV-2 immunity.¶¶¶¶ Thus, VE in this analysis reflects the current situation among U.S. adults and can be interpreted as the incremental benefit of receipt of updated COVID-19 vaccine beyond existing vaccination-induced, infection-induced, or hybrid immunity."
Second, test registration questionnaires did not ask registrants about the number of updated vaccine doses received; therefore, the analysis might have included some persons who received >1 updated dose.
Third, these estimates are derived from a population choosing to be tested for SARS-CoV-2 and are potentially subject to selection biases related to these factors. In addition, updated vaccination coverage to date has been low (approximately 22% as of January 13, 2024*****) among persons aged ≥18 years and varies by age, which could bias results if persons being vaccinated earlier are systematically different from those vaccinated later. Thus, residual confounding might be present and could affect these early estimates.
"Finally, this analysis did not control for time since receipt of the most recent dose before the updated dose; however, because of waning effectiveness of previous doses, particularly against symptomatic infection††††† (9), this limitation -- likely -- had a minimal effect on results."
Imagine taking 5-6 vaccine doses and still being able to get sick with Covid.
Yeah, not bad at all. 2nd, 1st, and 3rd in his last three slams too. Boy does that eat at Harambe, especially since NoVax has better immunity than him.
Not really possible but I'll try. Randomresponder has challenged you to an easy, jovial game on the hardcourt. Your serve and volley game is not bad, enough to keep him interested. He keeps hitting lobs when you are at the net, given you ample opportunity to hit overhead smash winners. But, he puts just enough topspin on them, and they keep going over your head and kick off the baseline after you miss them. You get pissy and become a poor sport and decide you never liked the game and want to quit playing.
Not really possible but I'll try. Randomresponder has challenged you to an easy, jovial game on the hardcourt. Your serve and volley game is not bad, enough to keep him interested. He keeps hitting lobs when you are at the net, given you ample opportunity to hit overhead smash winners. But, he puts just enough topspin on them, and they keep going over your head and kick off the baseline after you miss them. You get pissy and become a poor sport and decide you never liked the game and want to quit playing.
Also, we are willing to play again, but you're going to need another racquet after you smashed your last one on the ground.
We can decelerate into something more comfortable like pickle ball, but not until you finish the tennis game first.
Imagine taking 5-6 vaccine doses and still being able to get sick with Covid.
Bizarre and astonishing. Co-opted by the establishment to the point that a person accepts this as a normal outcome of medical treatment. I cannot fathom such a mindset. Are those people capable of independent thought in any area of their lives ? I mean, something like what to have for dinner. Can they decide that on their own ?
Remember, the comparison groups here are already very well protected — the booster is working great!
More data that doesn't really tell us anything. I'm shocked this would actually be suitable enough for you. Nobody cares. You have immunity, I have immunity, Djokovic has immunity, we're all good, and Covid has dissipated. Thanks be to God.
"These early estimates include the period only through 119 days since vaccination, a relatively brief postvaccination period, with no substantial waning. Because consistent patterns of waning VE were observed after original monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 vaccination, waning of VE is expected with more time since updated vaccination, especially against less severe outcomes such as symptomatic infection. Additional analyses conducted at longer intervals since authorization of updated vaccines are needed for continued monitoring of expected waning and to determine how well vaccines are working to prevent severe disease."
Lots of coulds and woulds in here. Lame:
"Self-reported frequency of previous infections >90 days before testing differed by vaccination status and SGTF status, but statistical power was not adequate for stratification of results. Further, previous infection is likely underreported (7).
"Previous infection provides some protection against repeat infection (8) and U.S. adults have a high prevalence of infection-induced SARS-CoV-2 immunity.¶¶¶¶ Thus, VE in this analysis reflects the current situation among U.S. adults and can be interpreted as the incremental benefit of receipt of updated COVID-19 vaccine beyond existing vaccination-induced, infection-induced, or hybrid immunity."
Second, test registration questionnaires did not ask registrants about the number of updated vaccine doses received; therefore, the analysis might have included some persons who received >1 updated dose.
Third, these estimates are derived from a population choosing to be tested for SARS-CoV-2 and are potentially subject to selection biases related to these factors. In addition, updated vaccination coverage to date has been low (approximately 22% as of January 13, 2024*****) among persons aged ≥18 years and varies by age, which could bias results if persons being vaccinated earlier are systematically different from those vaccinated later. Thus, residual confounding might be present and could affect these early estimates.
"Finally, this analysis did not control for time since receipt of the most recent dose before the updated dose; however, because of waning effectiveness of previous doses, particularly against symptomatic infection††††† (9), this limitation -- likely -- had a minimal effect on results."
Imagine taking 5-6 vaccine doses and still being able to get sick with Covid.
I’m starting to think you’re actually stupid (no offense)
Every issue you raised with the study almost certainly increases the estimate of vaccine effectiveness if it could be controlled for. 1) Waning isn’t observed in the observation period. The authors say protection may wane later. Their goal was to assess efficacy quickly in light of a new circulating strain to test targeted boosters.
2) If people were previously infected they did get some immunity. This, as I said, increases the baseline immunity of the control group. The efficacy observed here is ON TOP of a high rate of prior infection and vaccination. Natural immunity is not as strong as the booster. Unless you magically believe that only people who go the booster in this study were previously infected.
3) The trend in the past has been that high risk people get vaccinated sooner, and these people are more likely to experience disease and severe disease (immunocompromised, etc) regardless of vaccine efficacy. So again, this would cause an increase in vaccine efficacy if it were controlled for.
There’s no need to flail around and copy past the limitations section of a paper like you’ve found some secret refutation. A good study acknowledges its limits. The evidence for booster efficacy is clear.
Do I think everyone needs to get it? No! We are well enough protected from the original serious. But it obviously works very well (at least as well as a seasonal flu shot) and is useful for high risk groups. This is good, actually.
Imagine taking 5-6 vaccine doses and still being able to get sick with Covid.
Bizarre and astonishing. Co-opted by the establishment to the point that a person accepts this as a normal outcome of medical treatment. I cannot fathom such a mindset. Are those people capable of independent thought in any area of their lives ? I mean, something like what to have for dinner. Can they decide that on their own ?
Both of you knew nothing about vaccines before COVID and have this magical belief that a vaccine must be 100% effective. This has never been the case. They’ve saved millions of lives despite very few vaccinations truly being near 100% effectige.
Imagine seeing a study that shows the new booster vaccine works very well, giving the chance to protect millions of high risk people, and deciding it’s worthless, biased, and bad.
At some point it sounds like you just want people to die. Nobody is making you get the shot, there’s no reason to be so defensive.
More data that doesn't really tell us anything. I'm shocked this would actually be suitable enough for you. Nobody cares. You have immunity, I have immunity, Djokovic has immunity, we're all good, and Covid has dissipated. Thanks be to God.
"These early estimates include the period only through 119 days since vaccination, a relatively brief postvaccination period, with no substantial waning. Because consistent patterns of waning VE were observed after original monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 vaccination, waning of VE is expected with more time since updated vaccination, especially against less severe outcomes such as symptomatic infection. Additional analyses conducted at longer intervals since authorization of updated vaccines are needed for continued monitoring of expected waning and to determine how well vaccines are working to prevent severe disease."
Lots of coulds and woulds in here. Lame:
"Self-reported frequency of previous infections >90 days before testing differed by vaccination status and SGTF status, but statistical power was not adequate for stratification of results. Further, previous infection is likely underreported (7).
"Previous infection provides some protection against repeat infection (8) and U.S. adults have a high prevalence of infection-induced SARS-CoV-2 immunity.¶¶¶¶ Thus, VE in this analysis reflects the current situation among U.S. adults and can be interpreted as the incremental benefit of receipt of updated COVID-19 vaccine beyond existing vaccination-induced, infection-induced, or hybrid immunity."
Second, test registration questionnaires did not ask registrants about the number of updated vaccine doses received; therefore, the analysis might have included some persons who received >1 updated dose.
Third, these estimates are derived from a population choosing to be tested for SARS-CoV-2 and are potentially subject to selection biases related to these factors. In addition, updated vaccination coverage to date has been low (approximately 22% as of January 13, 2024*****) among persons aged ≥18 years and varies by age, which could bias results if persons being vaccinated earlier are systematically different from those vaccinated later. Thus, residual confounding might be present and could affect these early estimates.
"Finally, this analysis did not control for time since receipt of the most recent dose before the updated dose; however, because of waning effectiveness of previous doses, particularly against symptomatic infection††††† (9), this limitation -- likely -- had a minimal effect on results."
Imagine taking 5-6 vaccine doses and still being able to get sick with Covid.
Do I think everyone needs to get it? No! We are well enough protected from the original serious. But it obviously works very well (at least as well as a seasonal flu shot) and is useful for high risk groups. This is good, actually.
Wow, exactly what I've said from the very beginning! Thank you! Boosters, especially, have relevance for the highest risk groups and really, nobody else, especially not now. Yawn. Omicron itself was the booster all of us unvaccinated people received. NoVax most definitely included.
Amazing we continue to waste money on doing research to prove the obvious. I'm starting to think you're actually stupid (no offense).
Remember, the comparison groups here are already very well protected — the booster is working great!
Explain this to me in tennis terms
Imagine saying you're smarter than everyone over and over and that this isn't a tennis thread, but then literally double faulting like this. Pure comedy.
Do I think everyone needs to get it? No! We are well enough protected from the original serious. But it obviously works very well (at least as well as a seasonal flu shot) and is useful for high risk groups. This is good, actually.
Wow, exactly what I've said from the very beginning! Thank you! Boosters, especially, have relevance for the highest risk groups and really, nobody else, especially not now. Yawn. Omicron itself was the booster all of us unvaccinated people received. NoVax most definitely included.
Amazing we continue to waste money on doing research to prove the obvious. I'm starting to think you're actually stupid (no offense).
You have your original vaccines and the booster and you are good. NoVax was infected and reinfected by Omicron. He is good. It's equivalent. But you keep carrying on about high risk groups when nobody is arguing with you.
Amazing. Imagine being ranked #1 in the world and the only 30+ year old in the top ten, despite suffering long Covid. Crazy.
Bizarre and astonishing. Co-opted by the establishment to the point that a person accepts this as a normal outcome of medical treatment. I cannot fathom such a mindset. Are those people capable of independent thought in any area of their lives ? I mean, something like what to have for dinner. Can they decide that on their own ?
Both of you knew nothing about vaccines before COVID and have this magical belief that a vaccine must be 100% effective. This has never been the case. They’ve saved millions of lives despite very few vaccinations truly being near 100% effectige.
Next level armchair science and Dunning Kruger.
Today, February 2, the Ground Hog extended his predictions beyond 6 weeks. He warned the multi-vaxxed who took the injections of mRNA goop that they will experience a (shortened) lifetime of increased susceptibility to a wide variety of illnesses. The Ground Hog wished them well and encouraged the multi-vaxxed to enjoy all the seasons of the year because they don't have much time left.