what's the "usf model" ??? and are you hinting Jenkins getting the FSU job ??
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Iknowyoulying wrote:
what's the "usf model" ??? and are you hinting Jenkins getting the FSU job ??
University of San Francisco dummy
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GOWYONAU wrote:
Tim Riley stepping down at San Francisco
Any bets that he is going to Colorado Mesa? He was hired at USF by the current AD at Mesa.
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SpeculatorMD wrote:
GOWYONAU wrote:
Tim Riley stepping down at San Francisco
Any bets that he is going to Colorado Mesa? He was hired at USF by the current AD at Mesa.
he has a PhD in Neuroscience so my guess is he is done with college coaching
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anyone know what type of position Western Colorado is looking for specifically? Like event group wise?
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Applicant 1294 wrote:
anyone know what type of position Western Colorado is looking for specifically? Like event group wise?
No matter what it is, 36-38k is going to be pretty tough to live off of in Gunnison
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27th not 23rd wrote:
Yaleodiet wrote:
His team got 23rd at D3 nats in his second year there, and they hadn't qualified since the 90s before he took the director job. Anyone who knows Courtney knows that he'll do a great job
His team got 29th in his first year, 27th in his 2nd year and did not qualify in his 3rd year. They never even got as high as 23rd.
So he qualified with the previous coach's recruits but did not qualify with his own recruits.
This was the same at Dartmouth, he benefited off of Coogan's recruits and Abbey D'Agostino's success (the year before he started) then struggled greatly to build it on his own.
It seems relevant to note that in year 3, Smith missed Nationals by 4 points and every team that finished ahead of Smith at regionals finished top 25 at nationals. Smith also had 2 individual national qualifiers. It's not as is the team fell off a cliff.
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GOWYONAU wrote:
SpeculatorMD wrote:
Any bets that he is going to Colorado Mesa? He was hired at USF by the current AD at Mesa.
he has a PhD in Neuroscience so my guess is he is done with college coaching
His wife is/was an M.D. at Stanford. They're probably moving for her job.
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asdgasdkgl;jasgj wrote:
27th not 23rd wrote:
His team got 29th in his first year, 27th in his 2nd year and did not qualify in his 3rd year. They never even got as high as 23rd.
So he qualified with the previous coach's recruits but did not qualify with his own recruits.
This was the same at Dartmouth, he benefited off of Coogan's recruits and Abbey D'Agostino's success (the year before he started) then struggled greatly to build it on his own.
It seems relevant to note that in year 3, Smith missed Nationals by 4 points and every team that finished ahead of Smith at regionals finished top 25 at nationals. Smith also had 2 individual national qualifiers. It's not as is the team fell off a cliff.
Then Yale should have hired the head coach from any of those schools that finished top 25. His two individual qualifiers got 183rd and 184th.
It's worth noting that his two recruiting classes are extremely weak, noticeably weaker than the recruiting classes he inherited.
He was unable to capitalize on qualifying for nationals by bringing in very good recruiting classes. They were 100% heading backwards as a team.
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factuals wrote:
asdgasdkgl;jasgj wrote:
It seems relevant to note that in year 3, Smith missed Nationals by 4 points and every team that finished ahead of Smith at regionals finished top 25 at nationals. Smith also had 2 individual national qualifiers. It's not as is the team fell off a cliff.
Then Yale should have hired the head coach from any of those schools that finished top 25. His two individual qualifiers got 183rd and 184th.
It's worth noting that his two recruiting classes are extremely weak, noticeably weaker than the recruiting classes he inherited.
He was unable to capitalize on qualifying for nationals by bringing in very good recruiting classes. They were 100% heading backwards as a team.
Agreed. Its far too common to see coaches from objectively mediocre (or even bad) teams fail upward into better positions. Actual competitive success should count for something. Look at Smith’s track TFFRS page--It’s bad. There are many coaches at comparable schools in the New England area (not to mention the rest of the country) who’s teams have improved far more and performed far better over the time he’s been at Smith.
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WoozzieeFBaby wrote:
woeIZme wrote:
You do understand that not sooooo long ago that there was a plethora of jobs that POC folks were blocked from, couldn't get, be considered for, or let alone even be in the same places and spaces as white people. That include folks of color that were the smartest in the room but dismissed because of some extra melanin. The "lost" portion of your response displayed a bit of ignorance.
Absolutely nothing wrong with you speaking on these matters, and some of us do care- just that one part skipped a whole historical context that still affects a lot of people today.
I am not against checking some boxes. What I am against is just hiring someone without interviewing a top 3 even if you do already know but at least give 2 other ppl a fair shake. Just maybe you’ll see they may be better than the one you were just going to hire. Seems like that usually ends in disappointment
Translation: I don't know how to network properly so I'm going to complain that the hiring committee didn't want to interview me.
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factuals wrote:
asdgasdkgl;jasgj wrote:
It seems relevant to note that in year 3, Smith missed Nationals by 4 points and every team that finished ahead of Smith at regionals finished top 25 at nationals. Smith also had 2 individual national qualifiers. It's not as is the team fell off a cliff.
Then Yale should have hired the head coach from any of those schools that finished top 25. His two individual qualifiers got 183rd and 184th.
It's worth noting that his two recruiting classes are extremely weak, noticeably weaker than the recruiting classes he inherited.
He was unable to capitalize on qualifying for nationals by bringing in very good recruiting classes. They were 100% heading backwards as a team.
Yes, because all of those coaches applied for the Yale job and Yale passed all of them over. Glad we got that settled.
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Whiny Unqualified Coaches wrote:
factuals wrote:
Then Yale should have hired the head coach from any of those schools that finished top 25. His two individual qualifiers got 183rd and 184th.
It's worth noting that his two recruiting classes are extremely weak, noticeably weaker than the recruiting classes he inherited.
He was unable to capitalize on qualifying for nationals by bringing in very good recruiting classes. They were 100% heading backwards as a team.
Yes, because all of those coaches applied for the Yale job and Yale passed all of them over. Glad we got that settled.
So your argument is that Yale couldn’t attract an objectively successful coach, therefore had to settle for one who’s team was not successful.
Sounds about right. Sort of a no-name, low-budget outfit only offering around $175k/year.
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factuals wrote:
asdgasdkgl;jasgj wrote:
It seems relevant to note that in year 3, Smith missed Nationals by 4 points and every team that finished ahead of Smith at regionals finished top 25 at nationals. Smith also had 2 individual national qualifiers. It's not as is the team fell off a cliff.
Then Yale should have hired the head coach from any of those schools that finished top 25. His two individual qualifiers got 183rd and 184th.
It's worth noting that his two recruiting classes are extremely weak, noticeably weaker than the recruiting classes he inherited.
He was unable to capitalize on qualifying for nationals by bringing in very good recruiting classes. They were 100% heading backwards as a team.
So your criteria is anyone who coached a top 25 d3 team in 2023 should have been hired, but CJ, who in three years at Smith, which had never gone to nationals since the early 90s, had two NQ teams and one that missed by 4 points with 2 individual qualifiers, and who, btw, went 3 for 6 with his XC teams at Dartmouth qualifying for nationals, is a bad choice.
I have no idea if CJ will be successful or not at Yale, and I have no idea if better candidates were out there, but it seems odd to suggest he's not qualified for the job when, again, he has a track record of success coaching in the Ivy League and continued to be successful at Smith.
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Brody Honeycutt to UCF
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