You speak mostly angry BS, from outright hatred, mixing causes with consequences.
Potential soldiers are not soldiers. People in combat zone, not wearing uniform, with card blanche to kill and with guns in hand, or within reach are not civilians.
For current world order it would be better if they did not attack. For peoples of Ukraine and Russia, in material sense, it would also be better. However, there is more to life than material wealth. Russians sre not uninformed They even visit LR forum. They could find for themselves how western public opinion was built against them in prior years and decades.
I am serious when I say, Russia decided that confronting imperialist powers of world domination is more worthy, than comfortable way of life. I do not say that Russian leadership and oligarchy don't have personal materialist motives, but those are only secondary.
Now that Putin's crimes are out in the open all of the US Putin symps, enablers and money launderers in the US government need to be exposed and outed in public.
What if the people of Mexico want to be part of the US?
Or people of Texas want to be part of Mexico?
Should one country bomb the other and claim that territory?
Great example. Texas was a part of Mexico.
If you want to go back far enough North and South America were unpopulated. Then people arrived. And there was/has been a land grab here ever since. The rest of the world has been through this already. And Texas was it's own country also. The Republic of Texas, March 2, 1836, to February 19, 1846.
You haven't added anything to this discussion yet. Let's see... Russia decided to invade a sovereign nation and commit a bunch of war crimes, so yes, I think it's entirely fair to blame things on the Russians. If they didn't want the world to realize they're subhuman garbage, then maybe they should have gone around acting like subhuman garbage.
You're right. You said a decree by Zelensky was part of a plan to dehumanize and demonize the Russian army, Russia, and Russian people. If Russia can just conscript anybody in the Russia into the army, as they just did with 130,000 people, then aren't all Russians legitimate targets? I mean, how is anybody supposed to distinguish a normal Russian civilian from future murderous Russian soldier? If the Russian invaders didn't want to be demonized, then maybe they should do one good thing with their pathetic lives and start firing missiles into Moscow until Putin and all of his buddies are buried under the rubble of the Kremlin.
I am bringing in realistic, humanitarian and pacifistic approach, aimed st solving the problem and preventing similar future catastrophes, unlike blood thirsty mob prevailing this forum.
You keep spouting insults without any reason. They are not worse, or better than any other country/army attacking someone.
Russia (not Russians, not Putin) invaded Ukraine without obvious aggressive provocation. It is undeniable. The thing is, there are many obvious issues that made it be "now, or never" issue for Russia, in regard to national security and vital interests of the country, as well as of Russian minority living in Ukraine. Russia simply did not have soft power means of defense to respond to soft power agression coming through Ukraine as a proxy of USA, but could not let it unanswered.
What you write about distinction btw Russian civilians and conscripted soldiers, has no logic. Outside of combat zone it is easy Army sits in their barracks, civilians are in their homes. It gets complicated when in combat zone someone intentionally make armed forces indistinguishable from civilians.
I do not know how conscription works in Russia, but principle of serving armies is that every couple of months new generation is recruited. They have couple months of training, serve for a year or so, then go home to stay in "reserve". So, these 130000 new ones are probably just new generation, they will probably never see the combat, excepth tose who volunteer.
Why don't USA (and any other country) army fire missiles on Washington and Pentagon, there is surely no lack of reasons and motives? Because it is not the job Army does.
Eight years of bombing and shelling Russian ethnics in and Donetsk would seem to be aggressive provocation. AS would having the military trained by NATO and Zelensky talking about wanting nukes.
Nothing they have done is near US "Shock and Awe" policy of mass murder of non combatants.
You don't understand the hypocrisy of our pols and media cheering on US invasions while slamming Russia for this?
Or don' care?
The only way you don't know they are committing war crimes is by getting all your news from Russia Times. But, your willful ignorance doesn't mean that Russians aren't committing war crimes.
I don't really give two sh*ts about what "our" politicians and media are saying. I care about Putin sending Russians into another country where they kill, bomb, and murder civilians. I also care about trolls like you trying to justify it.
What are the specific war crimes being committed by the Russians?
Do you care about the US sending troops into Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc. where they kill, bomb, and murder civilians? Or are you just a troll who tries to justify this.
Human Rights Watch has documented several cases of Russian military forces committing laws-of-war violations against civilians in occupied areas of the Chernihiv, Kharkiv, and Kyiv regions of Ukraine.
... Texas was it's own country also. The Republic of Texas, March 2, 1836, to February 19, 1846.
Texas was never a country. It was a self-declared sovereign state.
Mexico rejected the Treaties of Velasco which was signed by a Mexican General who was a prisoner and tortured by Texans to sign. Texas waved around the torture-signed document as proof it was independent.
Pray for the people of Crimea, Lugansk and Donetsk. They want to be part of Russia and do NOT want to be part of Ukraine.
How do you know that they don't want to be part of Ukraine? Have you actually talked to them? Or did you see a tweet about the subject, so now you're an expert. There's a Texas secessionist movement, therefore Texas does not want to be part of the USA. Should Mexico, Russia, or China start bombing America?
Rick Perry's infamous flirtation with secession at an April 2009 rally is sure to get renewed scrutiny in a presidential campaign — but it turns out it wasn't the first time the governor contemplated Texas leaving the United...
What are the specific war crimes being committed by the Russians?
Do you care about the US sending troops into Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc. where they kill, bomb, and murder civilians? Or are you just a troll who tries to justify this.
If you want to start a thread about US war crimes in Iraw, Libya, Syria, etc... go right ahead. Here in the thread about Russia invading Ukraine, they're not relevant - unless you think the average Ukrainian citizen is okay with Russia committing war crimes because the US did so in the past. By that logic, the fact that Russia committed war crimes in WW2 means that the US gets to invade Belarus and murder whomever they want.
A Russian soldier repeatedly raped a young mother while holding a knife to her throat, amid growing evidence of sexual violence being used as a weapon of war in Ukraine.
So citizens in a bomb shelter under a theater in Mariupol were a legitimate target because they were in a combat zone? No. Of course not. If Russian soldiers don’t want to be offed by some Ukrainian citizen with a gun, then maybe they should march their a$es back to Moscow and tell Tsar Putin that they don’t want to be associated with his murderous regime. Putin said he was liberating Ukraine from the terrible Nazis, why then would a Ukrainian citizen use it on the wonderful Russian liberators that came to save them from the evil Zelensky? Maybe because the Russians are committing war crimes against civilians, so civilians are taking up arms because they don’t want to be occupied.
Since Putin has banned any actual news in Russia, then I would say that most Russians are uninformed.
Russia believes that Ukraine is an imperialist power of world domination? They’re even more uninformed than I realized.
If there were armed forces in that theatre, theatre was legitimate target.
Nazi may have somewhat different meaning to different people. For Russians, it seems, Nazi means apologetic stance towards allies and collaborators of Germany during WW2, incorporating extremists paramilitary into regular armed forces (together with WW2 SS insignia), shelling civilians of Russian nationality in separatist areas of Lugansk and Donetsk, imposing restrictive laws on use of Russian language ... That sort of things.
Ukraine is not power Ukraine is a proxy, a tool in hands of the west used to spit into Russia's eyes.
So citizens in a bomb shelter under a theater in Mariupol were a legitimate target because they were in a combat zone? No. Of course not. If Russian soldiers don’t want to be offed by some Ukrainian citizen with a gun, then maybe they should march their a$es back to Moscow and tell Tsar Putin that they don’t want to be associated with his murderous regime. Putin said he was liberating Ukraine from the terrible Nazis, why then would a Ukrainian citizen use it on the wonderful Russian liberators that came to save them from the evil Zelensky? Maybe because the Russians are committing war crimes against civilians, so civilians are taking up arms because they don’t want to be occupied.
Since Putin has banned any actual news in Russia, then I would say that most Russians are uninformed.
Russia believes that Ukraine is an imperialist power of world domination? They’re even more uninformed than I realized.
If there were armed forces in that theatre, theatre was legitimate target.
Nazi may have somewhat different meaning to different people. For Russians, it seems, Nazi means apologetic stance towards allies and collaborators of Germany during WW2, incorporating extremists paramilitary into regular armed forces (together with WW2 SS insignia), shelling civilians of Russian nationality in separatist areas of Lugansk and Donetsk, imposing restrictive laws on use of Russian language ... That sort of things.
Ukraine is not power Ukraine is a proxy, a tool in hands of the west used to spit into Russia's eyes.
heh
this poster believes russian propaganda. or is a tasteless troll.
Neutral, demilitarised Ukraine was an easy solution. West should have accepted it
Why? Should we always do what’s easy? Or should we do what’s right?
The notion that Ukraine would have been neutral rather than under the thumb of Russia is absurd, so only a Putin puppet would suggest that such was the choice. And it quite clearly isn't what Ukraine wants.
So citizens in a bomb shelter under a theater in Mariupol were a legitimate target because they were in a combat zone? No. Of course not. If Russian soldiers don’t want to be offed by some Ukrainian citizen with a gun, then maybe they should march their a$es back to Moscow and tell Tsar Putin that they don’t want to be associated with his murderous regime. Putin said he was liberating Ukraine from the terrible Nazis, why then would a Ukrainian citizen use it on the wonderful Russian liberators that came to save them from the evil Zelensky? Maybe because the Russians are committing war crimes against civilians, so civilians are taking up arms because they don’t want to be occupied.
Since Putin has banned any actual news in Russia, then I would say that most Russians are uninformed.
Russia believes that Ukraine is an imperialist power of world domination? They’re even more uninformed than I realized.
If there were armed forces in that theatre, theatre was legitimate target.
Nazi may have somewhat different meaning to different people. For Russians, it seems, Nazi means apologetic stance towards allies and collaborators of Germany during WW2, incorporating extremists paramilitary into regular armed forces (together with WW2 SS insignia), shelling civilians of Russian nationality in separatist areas of Lugansk and Donetsk, imposing restrictive laws on use of Russian language ... That sort of things.
Ukraine is not power Ukraine is a proxy, a tool in hands of the west used to spit into Russia's eyes.
The troll farm instructors should provide better instruction. Your wording often betrays you (e.g. grammar mistakes in number agreement and dropping articles such as "the"), and actually often sounds better read in a B movie Russian accent.
So in the Special Military Operation (or as you likely write it "in Special Military Operation") a theater sheltering citizens is a legitimate military operation because the Russians have chosen to attack the city in which the theater is located, even though many citizens haven' fled the attack zones because Russia wasn't honoring the escape corridors to which they previously agreed? In essence, you are saying that everyone in a city Russia decides to attack is fair game for shooting and bombing, regardless of military necessity.
So citizens in a bomb shelter under a theater in Mariupol were a legitimate target because they were in a combat zone? No. Of course not. If Russian soldiers don’t want to be offed by some Ukrainian citizen with a gun, then maybe they should march their a$es back to Moscow and tell Tsar Putin that they don’t want to be associated with his murderous regime. Putin said he was liberating Ukraine from the terrible Nazis, why then would a Ukrainian citizen use it on the wonderful Russian liberators that came to save them from the evil Zelensky? Maybe because the Russians are committing war crimes against civilians, so civilians are taking up arms because they don’t want to be occupied.
Since Putin has banned any actual news in Russia, then I would say that most Russians are uninformed.
Russia believes that Ukraine is an imperialist power of world domination? They’re even more uninformed than I realized.
If there were armed forces in that theatre, theatre was legitimate target.
Nazi may have somewhat different meaning to different people. For Russians, it seems, Nazi means apologetic stance towards allies and collaborators of Germany during WW2, incorporating extremists paramilitary into regular armed forces (together with WW2 SS insignia), shelling civilians of Russian nationality in separatist areas of Lugansk and Donetsk, imposing restrictive laws on use of Russian language ... That sort of things.
Ukraine is not power Ukraine is a proxy, a tool in hands of the west used to spit into Russia's eyes.
Shouldn't Russia start by liberating themselves from Nazis at home before trying to do so elsewhere?
While Russian President Vladimir Putin has made the absurd claim to be waging war to “de-nazify” Ukraine, his regime has a long record of collaboration with far-right extremists.
Pray for the people of Crimea, Lugansk and Donetsk. They want to be part of Russia and do NOT want to be part of Ukraine.
How do you know that they don't want to be part of Ukraine? Have you actually talked to them? Or did you see a tweet about the subject, so now you're an expert. There's a Texas secessionist movement, therefore Texas does not want to be part of the USA. Should Mexico, Russia, or China start bombing America?
The New Hampshire House has rejected a constitutional amendment to secede from the United States, something lawmakers said has not come before a legislative body in America since before the Civil War.
Why? Should we always do what’s easy? Or should we do what’s right?
Solution is so only if it is right. Neutral, demilitarised Ukraine is right solution and it was quite easy to achieve. After all, it will end that way, only with thousands of Ukrainians and Russians dead.
If by profound times, you mean there are 13 nutjob Republicans, out of 326 votes in the NH house, then sure. But my rule of thumb is any group of 5+ Republicans will include at least one nutjob. I mean, this is a group that still mostly believes that Trump didn't lose the 2020 election.
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