Woman runs 2:42:55 at Houston Marathon, turned down for Olympic Trials because she was in Corral B

acookrunner wrote:

dunes runner wrote:

Thank you for posting that verification.

The Houston Marathon needs to verify that actual gun time to USATF, so Erin can have her rightfully earned and well deserved entry to the Trials.

She didn't earn anything though. Her gun time is her gun time.

0/10

If it isn't a separate gun, how could it be a separate gun time/

acookrunner wrote:

If it isn't a separate gun, how could it be a separate gun time/

Are you saying that USATF only accepts times from races where they literally shoot a gun at the start?

If a race ropes off the starting line and will not let you pass until they say "GO", then that is effectively a second gun.

Your forgot the most important one

0) The athlete and coach for running a race that wouldn't qualify for OT. They went to the line knowing that they would require an exception to qualify and they didn't at least talk to USATF to ask what will happen with a gun time 10+ mins off.

See 2! That's just a minor variation on it.

MatthewXCountry wrote:

dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:

Your forgot the most important one

0) The athlete and coach for running a race that wouldn't qualify for OT. They went to the line knowing that they would require an exception to qualify and they didn't at least talk to USATF to ask what will happen with a gun time 10+ mins off.

See 2! That's just a minor variation on it.

Sure. But then move it to the first spot. 100% of the blame goes to the athlete and coach for not running a race that gave them the best chance to qualify. Starting 10 mins behind the qualifying time is just stupid.

Could the RD bailed them out from the mistake of not running a qualifying race? Sure. Could USATF bailed them out from running a race with a 10 min handicap? Sure. But it isn't either of those parties jobs to bail out screw ups.

dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:

MatthewXCountry wrote:

See 2! That's just a minor variation on it.

Sure. But then move it to the first spot. 100% of the blame goes to the athlete and coach for not running a race that gave them the best chance to qualify. Starting 10 mins behind the qualifying time is just stupid.

Could the RD bailed them out from the mistake of not running a qualifying race? Sure. Could USATF bailed them out from running a race with a 10 min handicap? Sure. But it isn't either of those parties jobs to bail out screw ups.

But it's in the race director's best interest to put all of the elites up-front. The race director made a bone-headed business move. Houston will forever be labelled the marathon where elite athletes who make a mistake are put in the back of the field to fite with the masses. Good luck getting elite americans next year Houston.

Yeah its 100% the coach/athlete's fault, but the race director has a much less defensible position than USATF.

The USATF not granting the exception was reasonable in comparison [because she isn't going to be competive at the trials - where there was reason to believe a top 15 overall finish at Houston was possible for this athlete]. Now if she ran a 2:33 chip time and came in at 2:46 gun, then I'd say USATF is making a boneheaded move by not granting a competitive athlete in, who on a perfect day, could contend for the team. But that didn't happen. Perhaps wording would have better to use % of the idiocy rather than % of the fault. I mark % of the idiocy being 50% race director 50% athlete/coach, 0% USATF.

It's amazing how many anti big government/libertarian folks there are on here who will defend to the death meaningless bureaucracy and rules that prevent a deserving athlete of running in the trials. It really goes to show just how much people on this forum hate women. If a man ran 2:16:55 in the same situation you wouldn't see nearly the number of people posting how it is "100% the coach/athlete's fault". Get a grip.

dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:

They went to the line knowing that they would require an exception to qualify and they didn't at least talk to USATF to ask what will happen with a gun time 10+ mins off.

You must be an idiot, to presume and post such nonsensical rubbish.

She doesn't have a shot at finishing top 3, why does it matter?

arandomwalk wrote:

It's amazing how many anti big government/libertarian folks there are on here who will defend to the death meaningless bureaucracy and rules that prevent a deserving athlete of running in the trials. It really goes to show just how much people on this forum hate women. If a man ran 2:16:55 in the same situation you wouldn't see nearly the number of people posting how it is "100% the coach/athlete's fault". Get a grip.

+1

That a 16:17 5000 can’t get you into the A Corral (which takes 51min 10k’ers, sub 4hour marathoners) at Chevron Houston is the real BS

Tell me if she's going to make the Olympic team with a mark like that, regardless of what corral she started in.

I'm waiting.

Are you aware that NYRR races sell out months in advance, right?

She probably wanted to run a tempo and found a friend that was not running due to injury/whatever. It happens all the time as NYRR races are outrageously expensive and they do not allow to change name on a bib.

arandomwalk wrote:

It's amazing how many anti big government/libertarian folks there are on here who will defend to the death meaningless bureaucracy and rules that prevent a deserving athlete of running in the trials. It really goes to show just how much people on this forum hate women. If a man ran 2:16:55 in the same situation you wouldn't see nearly the number of people posting how it is "100% the coach/athlete's fault". Get a grip.

usatf being strict or not seems to go in waves. A man who ran 2:19:00 gun was also denied. People were split over whether he should get in

BOHICA wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

can you imagine a thread this long about a runner missing the 1500 trials with a 4:38? That's the equivalent.

Exactly ?

1. No that is wrong. A 2:42:55 marathon translates to a 4:22.56 1500m using Purdy, a 4:34.67 using V02 max and 4:29.02 using the Cameron method.

2. The field size is limited to a very small nnumber of participants on the track which makes qualifying to these events harder.

No they aren’t. They’re consistently applying the rules. 2:19:00.14 is not a qualifying time. Having a gun time 13+ min over is not “extremely close.” If you bend the rules for one, you set yourself up to bend the rules for more.

Mid D guy wrote:

Are you aware that NYRR races sell out months in advance, right?

She probably wanted to run a tempo and found a friend that was not running due to injury/whatever. It happens all the time as NYRR races are outrageously expensive and they do not allow to change name on a bib.

The Staten Island half does not sell out months in advance.

Down Goes Frazier wrote:

Tell me if she's going to make the Olympic team with a mark like that, regardless of what corral she started in.

I'm waiting.

I agree whole heartedly that she was not going to make the team. But there are 229 women in the field that also are NOT going to make the team. Those 229 women all have a slower marathon time than her. As a timer of races, Houston absolutely should have pushed the button on a second gun time for the B corral...it IS a separate race.

acookrunner wrote:

Mid D guy wrote:

Are you aware that NYRR races sell out months in advance, right?

She probably wanted to run a tempo and found a friend that was not running due to injury/whatever. It happens all the time as NYRR races are outrageously expensive and they do not allow to change name on a bib.

The Staten Island half does not sell out months in advance.

It actually did sell out towards the last week of July, 2019 (race is in Oct.) but NYC competitive teams get a few spots a week before if any race is sold out.