Armstronglivs wrote:
I love this. We already have 8 pages of doping accusations against Hassan and about 40 against Alberto, the Svengali of NOP.
In the words of the great detective, Columbo, "we have a body and a suspect - but nobody's owning up". In time, in time, detective.
You convientely don't provide an answer to the question I posed on this page.
And yes plenty of pages on Alberto. All of which more or less confirm that Alberto almost certainly committed doping violations.
Scorpion_runner wrote:
Even men can't do that.
1) This says a lot about you as a person.
2) Women's athletics are less contested than men’s, but your statement still says a lot about you as a person.
3) Each championship has a slightly different schedule that changes possibilities for multiple medals, but your statement still says a lot about you as a person.
4) In an off year, I could see Mo, El G, Kejelcha, or others winning the 10k/1500m double, but your statement still says a lot about you as a person.
ddeubelbeiss wrote:
I think you can argue both sides/cases. But I prefer to go with my gut and experience (over 40 years).
You just never see someone running a final with such control and ease. She seemed to be running a qualifying round. It was truly abnormal for the time/quality she showed. It's that simple for me. My shyte detector went off. I bet if you ask all other athletes in the field ... in private they are thinking the same.
it's a shame. You almost have to be juicing these days to "get it right".
You start with something that would seem to make sense... to dummies but you know you run your best times when everything feels easy. I bet you all the runners that ran pbs today looked good doing it... the ones that didn’t probably looked like crap.
Also, I don’t think any runner is thinking it except for maybe simpson. It was a great race and the fact that so many did well makes perfect sense.... not to say someone couldn’t be doping but Sifan seems legit to me.
Oh, I don’t go with my gut often but I have more experience that you...
Sifan should be able to show her class over the next 10 years.... maybe I’ll eat my words one day but what she did doesn’t surprise me at all. Would anyone be surprised if she had won the 5k instead?
Snowdon wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
Hassan's potential next 3-4 years.
1500-3.47
3000 -7.59
5000-13.48
10,000-28.39
Half Marathon-1.02
Marathon -2.12
The new women's era has started.
Hassan -history maker. She has revolutionized women's running.
From the IAAF scoring tables
3.51.90 = 1271 points, same number of points for 800m in 1.54.01 and 5000m in 14.05.30 and 10000m in 29.34.21.
Interestingly also equivalent to Miller-Uibo's time of 48.37 in the 400m. Of these equivalent times only the 5km time has never been achieved.
The W800 record is 1:53, and the 10000 record is 29:17.
It's a shame that Dibaba wasn't in the race.
jim ryun doped in high school as part of a cia program and was able to leverage that into personal political gain, make no mistake
LM wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I love this. We already have 8 pages of doping accusations against Hassan and about 40 against Alberto, the Svengali of NOP.
In the words of the great detective, Columbo, "we have a body and a suspect - but nobody's owning up". In time, in time, detective.
You convientely don't provide an answer to the question I posed on this page.
And yes plenty of pages on Alberto. All of which more or less confirm that Alberto almost certainly committed doping violations.
You miss the point - an XX female cannot have a hormonal profile anything like a man. Her testosterone levels cannot naturally go above around 2nml (compared to 7-29nml for males - who on average have 15 times the testosterone level of a female). Hypoandrogenic outliers may have 2-4 nml, hence the IAAF limit of 5nml. This is the whole Caster Semenya debate. She is DSD male however.
The only way an XX female can have anything approaching male levels of testosterone is if they are 46XY, like Semenya, or are doped to the gills. Take your pick.
Alberto Salazar methodology: Exhibit A - Sifan Hassan.
Agreed! She’s doping! She’s a cheater! From the front and through the heat/humidity!
They’ll call you racist! They’ll call you sore loser! If you love the sport, what you saw was completely ridiculous. Track & Field need to clean house! Just like in UCI Cycling!
That was just marvelous tactics from Hassan. I didn't think she was gutsy enough to attempt that from the front. But I think she and her coaching properly realized it was easily her best choice to defeat Kipyegon, who is fantastic in tactical races after slow opening halves.
For weeks I was convinced that Kipyegon would win this race. But then she looked slightly heavy in the prelim races. I think I mentioned that. For Hassan to challenge Kipyegon with a sub-3:55 pace was brilliant and well deserved.
Phenomenal season
Distance runners should take note how she did that. No "tactical" bs. If you're the fastest person in the field then go out and run your race. Don't play cat and mouse and make it a sit and kick race. Makes zero sense.
Beautiful pacing by Hassan. She ratcheted it up every lap. This is what happens when the rabbit has the ability to stay in the race lol. Hassan actually makes these distance races must see tv.
T&F needs to embrace her and market the sh!t out of her for the next Olympics. She could go 4/4. Y'all always talking about the goats well right there is the best to do it.
All the other runners should be thanking her for dragging them to pr's. But I'm sure Mrs no fun at all Simpson will have something negative to say.
Does anyone give the death stair like Houlihan?! That sh!t is scary haha.
Coevett wrote:
bladerunner wrote:
Don't watch. Morons like yourself will never be satisfied unless the results are mediocre. This is only sport I'm aware where great results are spat on, not celebrated. Do us a favor and find something else to watch.
Athletics is probably the only sport I'm aware of where an athlete who was transformed from a good runner into a superhuman GOAT in her mid-twenties, by a coach who was banned for doping offences just this week, could still be celebrated when she produces another superhuman performance.
Not true at all. All sports love winners and amazing super human performances. Time to get with the times. Bladerunner is right.
If legit, it is a welcome breath of fresh air. Get out there and show everyone how fast you can run. That is what drew us all to the sport. Thankfully this meet has shown the start of a trend back to the roots of running to run fast. 800, 1,500, 5,000, 10,000. Good hard races from the start. That can only be good for the appeal of the sport. When people look back to London 2012, the race they remember is mens 800m. Why? - because the athletes put their cards on the table from the gun. Run clean, of course, but take this opportunity to re-invent the sport: get rid of Sit-And-Kick back to where it belongs, show the world what it looks like to really run.
Identity politics. But if it makes you feel better...
I think it’s more likely someone told Hassan that the PEDs dispensing van was about to leave so she got a move on in the hope of catching it before it left the stadium.
VroomVroom wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Athletics is probably the only sport I'm aware of where an athlete who was transformed from a good runner into a superhuman GOAT in her mid-twenties, by a coach who was banned for doping offences just this week, could still be celebrated when she produces another superhuman performance.
Not true at all. All sports love winners and amazing super human performances. Time to get with the times. Bladerunner is right.
I agree. Coevett should stop watching the sport.
Amazing run by Hassan. She has been training like a 10k/half marathon runner and knows that she maybe didn't have the kick but was the fastest in a time trial. So she made it a time trial and had the advantage from 300m. Brave and smart.
Nobody talking about Koko getting bronze in the 5000. Also a Salazar athlete. Also came from being pretty good to one of the best in the world. Engles having his best year. Brazier is world champ.
crackpot wrote:
jim ryun doped in high school as part of a cia program and was able to leverage that into personal political gain, make no mistake
^THIS!!
Armstronglivs wrote:
I love this. We already have 8 pages of doping accusations against Hassan and about 40 against Alberto.
...and 0 for "Koko".
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YMMV wrote:
Snowdon wrote:
From the IAAF scoring tables
3.51.90 = 1271 points, same number of points for 800m in 1.54.01 and 5000m in 14.05.30 and 10000m in 29.34.21.
Interestingly also equivalent to Miller-Uibo's time of 48.37 in the 400m. Of these equivalent times only the 5km time has never been achieved.
The W800 record is 1:53, and the 10000 record is 29:17.
The points for the Womens World Records are as follows:
100m 10.49 1314pts
200m 21,34 1308pts
400m 47.60 1304pts
800m 1.53.28 1286pts
1500m 3.50.07 1287pts
5000m 14.11.15 1260pts
10000m 29.17.45 1287pts
The real outliers are in the sprints. Still some scope for Hassan in the 5000m.
If Koko had run 14:18 and won gold leavin Obiri in the dust we'd probably have a similar thread. In fact she didn't quite underperform but not exceed sensible expectations.
Most telling, though, is that "we" tend to ignore the huge PBs of most women (except Muir) behind Hassan and also some in the 5k race, Gemechu by 30 seconds, also the Americans. Without Hassan's double and the Salazar ban (the latter without any really new information for people who followed that ongoing investigation) we would certainly raise eyebrows on a lot of these huge PBs.