17 year old Max Burgin front runs 1:45.39!

quote]iceberg wrote:

A Kenyan junior who runs exceptionally fast (Zakayo, Rhonex) = doper and age cheater.

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I've never said anything about Rhonex. Zakayo is a '16 year old' who certainly looks at least 25 if not 30. When interviewed he suspiciously immediately and awkwardly talks about his school etc. Not to mention his strange appearance which has all the hallmarks of hgh abuse as a teen.

Why don't you treat the rampant and confirmed doping in countries like France and Italy with the same vigour and enthusiasm?

Coevett wrote:

I suspect Kenyan juniors, because of the rampant and confirmed age cheating that takes place in corrupt African countries like that, as well as the rampant and confirmed doping that goes on in corrupt African countries like that.

Is there any basis for this outside of your imagination? If blood doping stats are lower, while relative performance improvements are higher, this suggests blood doping is not the main cause of the performance improvements.

Subway Surfers wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

Suspicious medals (blood doping only):

1500: 54%

800: 30%

5000: 28%

10000: 28%

Marathon: 11%

Or, go by super stars caught blood doping...

The marathon will be way, way dirtier than these stats would suggest.

rekrunner wrote:

Why don't you treat the rampant and confirmed doping in countries like France and Italy with the same vigour and enthusiasm?

Coevett wrote:

I suspect Kenyan juniors, because of the rampant and confirmed age cheating that takes place in corrupt African countries like that, as well as the rampant and confirmed doping that goes on in corrupt African countries like that.

Err... because this is a running forum, not a cycling forum?

This thread has been officially rekrunnered.

If I look back, "dunes runner" asked "how blood doping would help 400 and 800 meters." and "Perhaps you meant steroids or something else quite similar." This doesn't look like he meant statistical "suspicion" of blood doping. "that is an easy one" talks about benefit "from the free roids and free blood transfusions of the early 80s", which also looks like he did not mean "suspicion" of blood doping, but rather confirmed "steroids", in addition to "blood transfusions", plays a key role in the 800m, and 1500m (after saying these were the "worst when it comes to blood doping").

casual obsever wrote:

worser wrote:

By "worst" do you mean "effective" or "ineffective"?

Statistically speaking, most suspicious blood dopers. (Well, blood transfusions were legal during Coe's 1:41, so one shouldn't call that blood-doping.)

http://features.thesundaytimes.co.uk/web/public/2015/the-doping-scandal/index.html#/

Suspicious medals (blood doping only):

1500: 54%

800: 30%

5000: 28%

10000: 28%

Marathon: 11%

Or, go by super stars caught blood doping...

I'm talking about confirmed doping in athletics, not cycling. It is your disproportionate treatment of Kenyans which leads people to call you racist. You should accept this outside observation as constructive.

Coevett wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

Why don't you treat the rampant and confirmed doping in countries like France and Italy with the same vigour and enthusiasm?

Err... because this is a running forum, not a cycling forum?

Sorry, I just agreed with "dunes runner" questioning the benefit of blood doping for the shorter events. Before accusing me of derailing the thread, note that I am responding to others who had already derailed the thread. Great performance from Max Burgin. I hope he shows that runners can succeed at a high level without doping, and help change the mentality.

Coevett wrote:

This thread has been officially rekrunnered.

You're absolutely crazy if you think that doping in Italy and France is as great a threat to the sport of middle-distance running as doping in Kenya is. It's these kind if bizarre claims (which your sidekick Casual Observski is 100% in agreement with) that leads people to suspect that you're being paid to do this. Italy has always had a doping problem and I've called it out in regards to Aouita, as well as the Italian coaching influence in Kenya (and now Uganda). France has had a doping problem in running since their North African minorities suddenly started dominating the domestic scene. But the fact is, there hasn't been an Italian Kiprop, there hasn't been a French Bett. When French and Italian runners are absolutely dominating middle-distance running (which is my interest here), and getting popped left, right, and center, and the people on this board are adamantly maintaining that Italian and French have some genetic advantage in middle-distance running and that anyone who denies this is a racist, I'll start banging on about Italian and French doping. Cheers.

rekrunner wrote:

I'm talking about confirmed doping in athletics, not cycling.

It is your disproportionate treatment of Kenyans which leads people to call you racist.

You should accept this outside observation as constructive.

Coevett wrote:

Err... because this is a running forum, not a cycling forum?

rekrunner wrote:

Is there any basis for this outside of your imagination?

If blood doping stats are lower, while relative performance improvements are higher, this suggests blood doping is not the main cause of the performance improvements.

Subway Surfers wrote:

The marathon will be way, way dirtier than these stats would suggest.

Forget about referring to you as "Gary," from now on it is 'Rekrunner the Ripper' because you certainly know how to murder a thread. Someone running 800m and 1500m is far more likely to be tested in competition, heck add in the indoor season to double it up. A marathoner is twice per year max, so please even you know that one.

rekrunner wrote:

Why don't you treat the rampant and confirmed doping in countries like France and Italy with the same vigour and enthusiasm?

Coevett wrote:

I suspect Kenyan juniors, because of the rampant and confirmed age cheating that takes place in corrupt African countries like that, as well as the rampant and confirmed doping that goes on in corrupt African countries like that.

This thread is meant to be about Max Burgin. It is not meant to be about your grandstanding over 'racism'.

Nobody thinks the developed world and the developing world have similar environments.

Coevett, do you fear you would lose your job/career if this site required registration and verification of name/poster?

I'll second what Platonic said. I'm an infrequent visitor to this forum but every time I do drop by to read, or post, the same people are having the same stupid arguments. This is a thread about a kid who has only just turned 17 ... as I said earlier, it would be nice if it was a thread that he himself could read without wading through endless squabbling over race or doping .... and, effectively, certain posters making it all about them and their ongoing hostilities with others.

Max may be just 17, but he displays a good deal more maturity and humility than some people on here.

Fair enough.

Will he be like David Fiegen (previous U18 record holder ending up with a personal best of 1:44.81), or better than Nick Symmonds (1:42.95), or GB's next Coe (1:41.73)?

We should watch his career with great interest.

Too busy planting potatoes to race the big Brits.

Absolutely not. I work online for dozens of companies. Absolutely nothing I have said here would cause me any problems in my life. Even if I was employed by the BBC and had a virtue signalling left wing social circle, nowhere outside of this forum (and just a handful of crazies at that) would it be evidence that I was 'racist' that I highlight an obvious Kenyan doping problem that the entire world, including Kenya, is aware of.

Having said that, I only noticed this post, and given that you're threatening me again, and in the light of previous threats, I think it time now I asked my American lawyer to issue a doe subpoena for your IP address.

Halifax wrote:

I'll second what Platonic said. I'm an infrequent visitor to this forum but every time I do drop by to read, or post, the same people are having the same stupid arguments. This is a thread about a kid who has only just turned 17 ... as I said earlier, it would be nice if it was a thread that he himself could read without wading through endless squabbling over race or doping .... and, effectively, certain posters making it all about them and their ongoing hostilities with others.

Max may be just 17, but he displays a good deal more maturity and humility than some people on here.

Well what do you expect me to do? This guy has an obsession with me and made very realistic threats against my person. I have a need to defend myself, it's unfortunate he does these things on threads like this celebrating an incredible talent, but that's largely the fault of the Brojos for not banning this guy and the mods for not deleting his posts.

BTW, I came back to this thread to post the sad news that it appears Max Burgin is out of the U20 European championships with injury. :(

Hopefully it's minor and he'll be back soon and able to aim to peak for Doha! :)

Supposedly, now he's "injured"... looks like the LRC sleuths are onto the dirty Brits.

We should let POTUS Trump handle the messaging on Twitter.

Pompous fools!!!!!!!!