Unofficial NCAA Indoor Champs Day 2 Live Discussion Thread

Rai Benjamin was born in the Bronx. https://www.lohud.com/story/sports/high-school/track/2015/07/02/track-ucla-mount-vernon-rai-benjamin-hurdles/29594771/

More absurd wrote:

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

Thats absurd to me. Sure it won't count as an american record, but it should count as a world record, if they were to break it.

More absurd is that "foreigner" Rai Benjamin is a US citizen, and was born in the USA. His parents were born in Antigua. He went to high school in New York. And declined to compete for Antigua in the 2016 Rio Olympics.

"New rules should not affect Benjamin, however, since he’s U.S.-born."

I speak truthiness wrote:

How come they take 16 4x4 teams but only 12 DMR's? That seems unfair

My guess is they (NCAA) think trying to fit 16 DMRs on the track would not work and they would not run 2 sections. But for the 4x4s they run it in sections anyway so they stick with the traditional 16 acceptances.

BS wrote:

I speak truthiness wrote:

How come they take 16 4x4 teams but only 12 DMR's? That seems unfair

My guess is they (NCAA) think trying to fit 16 DMRs on the track would not work and they would not run 2 sections. But for the 4x4s they run it in sections anyway so they stick with the traditional 16 acceptances.

Now that you mention it, two sections of the DMR seems like a decent idea. Few people but distance runners want to watch that, but I like it.

rose colored boy wrote:

Absolutely agree, it's a truly moronic stipulation. Why on earth should a school or club not be able to set a relay world record? Can anyone shed any light on what possible justification the IAAF could have for this?

Do you think Nike should be able to run a 4x800m relay with Nijel Amos, Donavan Brazier, Makhloufi and Alfred Kipketer to go for the world record?

Women

https://www.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/track-field/results/d1/indoor18/022-1_compiled.htm

Men

https://www.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/track-field/results/d1/indoor18/006-1_compiled.htm

Yes, if they want. Why not?

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Do you think Nike should be able to run a 4x800m relay with Nijel Amos, Donavan Brazier, Makhloufi and Alfred Kipketer to go for the world record?

Yes.

vivalarepublica wrote:

BS wrote:

My guess is they (NCAA) think trying to fit 16 DMRs on the track would not work and they would not run 2 sections. But for the 4x4s they run it in sections anyway so they stick with the traditional 16 acceptances.

Now that you mention it, two sections of the DMR seems like a decent idea. Few people but distance runners want to watch that, but I like it.

I think that sounds like a bad idea. I'm not a fan of tactical races, but I understand that sometimes it happens and having multiple sections takes away from any tactics in the race. One of the main points of distance is that you can't just run all out, you've gotta be smart and have some kind of strategy during the race.

All star teams are different than colleges.

Although the example you gave probably would not get the world record anyways, Brazier would choke and split 1:50.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

rose colored boy wrote:

Absolutely agree, it's a truly moronic stipulation. Why on earth should a school or club not be able to set a relay world record? Can anyone shed any light on what possible justification the IAAF could have for this?

Do you think Nike should be able to run a 4x800m relay with Nijel Amos, Donavan Brazier, Makhloufi and Alfred Kipketer to go for the world record?

World record = world wrote:

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Do you think Nike should be able to run a 4x800m relay with Nijel Amos, Donavan Brazier, Makhloufi and Alfred Kipketer to go for the world record?

Yes.

What was the indoor 4 x 400 world record before Poland beat it?

What was the CR?

See... CR was faster than WR...

World record = world wrote:

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Do you think Nike should be able to run a 4x800m relay with Nijel Amos, Donavan Brazier, Makhloufi and Alfred Kipketer to go for the world record?

Yes.

This is what I was trying to say.

Yes.

Why not?

Anyone else a consistent amazon gift card winner?

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Purduen't with the 2nd place finish, WTF is this alternate universe that we are living in.

vivalarepublica wrote:

Purduen't with the 2nd place finish, WTF is this alternate universe that we are living in.

They were seeded second.

In my mind, the alternate universe is that a Harvard woman is the 200m champion and has the CR.

rose colored boy wrote:

World record = world wrote:

Yes.

This is what I was trying to say.

Yes.

Why not?

I get both sides of this argument. The whole idea of having a relay is that there's a team basis to it, you're supposed to have assembled a fast group of people who have a certain type of affiliation with each other that extends beyond who pays them. Think high schools and colleges. They all train together and possibly live together in some way (albeit not necessarily in the same household, maybe it's just the same city) for extended periods of time and compete for a certain group that they've dedicated themselves to. In that sense, I think it would be cool to see pro teams doing relays and I would be totally okay with them getting world records for it. If Bowerman TC went out and ran a world record relay using members of their team, I'd be okay with it, even if they had different national affiliations.

However, the other side of the argument is why stop there? Why can't you just throw together teams from the same sponsor or training group? Why does it have to be specifically a team? And I really don't have an answer for that, which is why I can see both sides. Personally, I think it ruins the whole "team" aspect of a relay but I do get the reasoning behind a loose affiliation being allowed for relay records.

On a side note, I think it's dumb if USC's record isn't ratified because a kid born in the Bronx doesn't identify himself as American.

That's a wrap, folks. Good championship, especially in the sprints. Wowza.

And these kids give me hope for the future. Love their attitude, demeanor, enthusiasm, etc. Great athletes and people.

Cfftfftttff wrote:

vivalarepublica wrote:

Purduen't with the 2nd place finish, WTF is this alternate universe that we are living in.

They were seeded second.

In my mind, the alternate universe is that a Harvard woman is the 200m champion and has the CR.

She's finished 3rd outdoors the past two years and 6th at the Olympic Trials.

Pay attention.

rose colored boy wrote:

World record = world wrote:

Yes.

This is what I was trying to say.

Yes.

Why not?

It wouldn’t be a meaningful record. Assembling the four best runners in the world and putting them on a relay team would produce a stupid fast time, but what would be the point? Relays only make sense if there’s a meaningful connection between the athletes on the team. Same school, same country, ok. Same sponsor is tenuous at best. If you’re going to assemble a group of international elites, it’d be more interesting to just have them run an individual race.