Runner in 70s, 80s, 90s, etc. wrote:
Try harder Engineer. It happened. Deal with it. "What did they know and when did they know it" isn't quite appropriate here.
And deal with it the next time, and the next time, and the next time, and the next time, and the next time.
It did happen and they made the facts fit the narrative afterwords.
SD2 wrote:
Believing anything the media and public intellectuals tell you is not respect for science. It is the same epistemological approach most people had in the days when almost everyone believed in religious explanations of the natural world and human origins--that is, they regarded some people (the king, monks, priests, the Pope, etc.) as infallible and believed anything those people said. An individual who respects science first and foremost thinks independently and is willing to question anything and anyone. The minute you say "X must be true because it is the consensus of experts," you have announced your embrace of mysticism and rejection of reason.
What a total load of crap you just expressed to justify a number of ignorant anti-science opinions by those who have no idea what they are talking about. If someone conducts research and or thoroughly studies the foundations scientific findings your statement would have merit.
Unfortunately many, particularly those on the radical right, have no idea of their own limitations. They are convinced in creationism, homosexuality as a sinful choice, see no global warming, and have no idea about the effects of pollution on the earth.I
Yet These numbskulls think they are right and scientists are wrong.
Good post. These 100 and 500 year storms seem to be occurring more frequently than every 500 or even 100 years.To examine factors increasing risk and exacerbating problems including climate change and over building in low level coastal areas doesn't mean that's the only cause, but it is a huge factor.To pretend it's not a factor is putting your head in the sand.
Count Chocula wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:But you also get to a certain point where the people challenging the experts have nothing more than rank speculation on their side. Houston had a massive flood in 2001 with TS Allison. That was supposed to be the unprecedented flood to end all floods. Then, Ike hit and cause flooding in different areas. Then there was the Tax Day flood and the Memorial Day flood. These were not even tropical storms. They were just big rain storms that dumped 10-15" of rain in a few hours. Now, there is Harvey. A very weak tropical wave that turned into a Cat 4 in just a few days. And now we have Hurricane Irma with 100 mph winds on track to possibly head to the gulf. This is unprecedented for Houston and the Gulf Coast. Saying that global warming has nothing to do with it is completely absurd. The only way this could be happening is because the atmosphere is warmer and wetter. It reminds me of a case I handed where a train hit a bus full of refinery workers. There were lots of defendants trying to blame each other. One not very skilled lawyer was badgering one of the workers about lots of different things during his deposition and finally asked him "what do you think went wrong that day?" The worker responded "A train hit a bus. Trains are not supposed to hit buses." We are now at the point on the gulf coast where the train has hit the bus.
Yes I agree. A big issue is that the average person has no understanding of what "100 year" and "500 year" storms mean. If every storm you mentioned was a 500 year storm (not sure about this), then Houstonians must be the unluckiest people alive! Of course, if we accept that larger storms are happening more frequently, we have to look at what the cause might be. I certainly think that higher temperatures could be a factor, but I am no climate expert. Claiming that global warming is a hoax won't make your home any more flood-proof, and that's really what matters in the end.
Science bites back wrote:
Good post. These 100 and 500 year storms seem to be occurring more frequently than every 500 or even 100 years.
The flood zone maps are revised regular to account for new rain event data. Houston's 500-year storm will become the 100-year zone. The effect being that more area will be required to have flood insurance. Texas republicans will likely fight against changing the flood zones.
john utah wrote:
Texans don't pay federal income taxes? I didn't know that. I need to move to texas.
No state income taxes:
NV
NH
TX
FL
WY
AK
TN
WA
SD
no income tax states wrote:
john utah wrote:Texans don't pay federal income taxes? I didn't know that. I need to move to texas.
No state income taxes:
NV
NH
TX
FL
WY
AK
TN
WA
SD
Ranked in order of all 50 states; only the states in the list above. Lower number means take in more federal money.
VOTED TRUMP
TX = 28
FL = 22
WY = 12
AK = 40
TN = 3
SD = 7
VOTED CLINTON
WA = 33
NH = 36
NV = 47
https://taxfoundation.org/states-rely-most-federal-aid/they will never admit wrong wrote:
I never trusted Ted Cruz. I heard from a very reliable source (Donald Trump) that Ted's father was involved in the assassination of JFK.
Actually Trump was right about one thing, Ted Cruz is a liar.
ted is the man wrote:Ted is loved in Texas. He has no worries.
Woody Harrelson's dad (Charles) was a CIA hitman and a JFK accomplice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SYvG3uU82chttp://mentalfloss.com/article/66602/woody-harrelsons-hitman-fatherhttps://www.intellihub.com/exposed-woody-harrelsons-father-admitted-accomplice-jfks-murder/SD2 let me run this plot by you:
The vast majority of scientists get together to concoct a conspiracy that climate is changing because of man made activity. Luckily, a band of noble billionaires and oil companies swoop in to inform the common man that the scientists are lying.
I'm not an expert on climate and defer to others. But just look at the incentives.
Compare the incentive of a scientist, who took a job likely for passion of the subject (obviously not for $) to the incentives of David Koch (the biggest funder of deniers), a billionaire who owns chemical companies and has spent his entire life with the sole objective of building his wealth.
I'd support giving these southern fooks money just to keep more of them from moving out west. We get tons of them who come out here for the military and end up staying. But they keep their backwards views. Seriously, what kind of idiot flies Confederate flags in the PNW?
dwumpf wrote:
SD2 let me run this plot by you:
The vast majority of scientists get together to concoct a conspiracy that climate is changing because of man made activity. Luckily, a band of noble billionaires and oil companies swoop in to inform the common man that the scientists are lying.
Very elegant. I'm going to use this.
The numbskulls would deny it, but insist they are still right for the same reason they believe humans and dinosaurs coexisted.
Do you think that finding bones in the ground is proof that something existed?
Or is it merely proof that there are bones in the ground?
Texas does have a sales tax...There is no state income tax, but we still pay the federal income tax. Texas also has a very high property tax.
Div II XC wrote:
Texas also has a very high property tax.
If property taxes are based on the value of the property, I would expect that to drop severely in a number of texas areas.
What would the Texan leaders say about Federal funding if this disaster occurred in the Northeast?
Oh that's right it did and they said tough luck. We will only help out with Fed dollars if there are equal budget cuts in other parts of the federal budget.
Funny they are not saying that now.
What happens if congress refuses to pay for the wall Trump promised Mexico would pay. Trump threatened to shut down the government. Would that mean Texas wouldn't get all the Federal dollars they are begging for?
The poor people deserve that money but there are consequences to behavior.
john utah wrote:
no state income tax wrote:They pay no state income tax. But if like like others carrying the weight for you you should go on welfare.
Texans pay taxes to the federal government. Understand? Now the Fed needs to give Texas their share back instead of subsidizing some bs programs in other states.
The idea that retards can somehow paint the most fiscally responsible state and one of the biggest economic engines in the USA as a failure just boggles the mind. Clusterf#4k California is in complete chaos and bankrupt but they have it figured out. Right.
Texas gets back about $1.25 ofr every dollar they put in.
My question is how that relates to the state tax burdens across the country. Does digging the hands into the federal pocket allow the red states to shout about lower taxes? When in reality they are being subsidized by the rest of us.
I wrote a check for $100 dollars to help the victims of Harvey, but I don't know if I should send it.
The people of Texas are so proud of their self reliance and independence, would they be humiliated to receive charity from a liberal? I don't want to insult them because I know they believe everyone should pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. (so they say anyway)
This explains modern American culture:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/05/negative-partisanship-explains-everything-215534
"Over the past few decades, American politics has become like a bitter sports rivalry, in which the parties hang together mainly out of sheer hatred of the other team, rather than a shared sense of purpose."
decision for me wrote:
I wrote a check for $100 dollars to help the victims of Harvey, but I don't know if I should send it.
The people of Texas are so proud of their self reliance and independence, would they be humiliated to receive charity from a liberal? I don't want to insult them because I know they believe everyone should pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. (so they say anyway)
Yes, I'm sure that saying was in the context of dealing with major natural disasters too.
Even when being disingenuous, you guys are dumb.
exthrower wrote:
Lol.....Liberals are furious that the recovery and relief effort has gone so well..
Texas is the antithesis of liberalism....
I guess if the recovery and relief effort are going so well, they don't need handouts from the federal government or from individual donors.
Maybe the government should just provide loans instead of handouts. That's the Texas way right?