Trump fans: Respond to Khizr Kahn, muslim father who lost his son in Iraq, DEVASTATES Trump at DNC

rojo wrote:

I think Trump's comments about Mexicans were deplorable but I do think his idea of wanting to have an immigration policy that makes sense (not rewarding those who come here illegally) is a sound one.

Rojo,

So, you are going to vote for Donald Trump because you like one idea he has about immigration policy?

So, you are not concerned about Freedom of Religion? You don't care that he regularly disparages women? You don't care that he creepily has said on many occasions that his daughter Ivanka has a beautiful body, and he once said if she weren't his daughter he would probably date her (especially knowing that he already has a wife!)? You don't care that he keeps getting caught in lie after lie (from knowing Putin or not to being John Miller, and on and on)? You don't care that he praises dictators and Thugs like Putin for being "strong leaders"? You don't care that he says violence in the streets will end the day he becomes President? How will he do that? You don't care that he has said he will form a Super PAC to defeat Cruz and Kasich in any future elections they run in? You don't care that he wants the same gun restrictions on automatic and semi-automatic weapons as the Democrats want, not really understanding that the NRA vote is part of the Republican block? You don't care that he insulted John McCain (someone who I as a liberal believe is an American hero) by saying he likes people who weren't captured? You don't care that when he was pressed with answering a question about our nuclear triad that he couldn't answer that with seemingly an knowledge at all about what that meant? You don't care that he insulted the Muslim mother of a fallen US soldier? You don't care that he bragged on Howard Stern's show about how he has slept with a lot of married women? You don't care that he lies about his Christianity which is evidenced by his "Two Corinthians" comment? You don't care that while by SOME measure he has been moderately successful but that he has left LOTS of people stranded with multiple bankruptcies or simply failure to pay? You don't care that Trump University was a complete and utter fraud?

I could go on, but I don't need to get carpal tunnel syndrome explaining what a horrible human being Donald Trump is when he has ZERO shot of winning this election.

Seriously Rojo, you should either abstain or vote for ANYONE other than Trump just to be at peace with yourself. A bad global economy is coming, and if Hillary is in office, she and the Democrats will take the heat, and perhaps you can get a Republican in the White House in 2020 or 2024. Too bad Trump will go hard after John Kasich as he would have made a GREAT president.

Trump has the makings of a dictator. He can't take ANY criticism and never sees the errors of his ways EVER. Of Clinton and Trump, Trump is WAY more likely to try to take away people's guns, because he is a megalomaniac. Violence in the streets stopped the day he becomes President? Really? So, a Police State? Guns are taken away when that's the case Rojo.

I have never said this about a Presidential candidate before, but anyone who votes for Donald Trump is actually stupid. Never has a major party candidate known so little about the world as Donald Trump. Don't be stupid Rojo. I am serious here.

BUT, do know that my only concern here is for your own conscious. Your vote for Trump or not does not determine the victor. Hillary has this won EASILY. You can just tell yourself that Hillary is just the lesser of two evils, and she is that for sure. Donald Trump is evil to the core, unable to show empathy, and a horrible, horrible person.

Clinton News Network wrote:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-clinton-foundation-state-and-kremlin-connections-1469997195

Following his 2009 visit to Moscow, President Obama announced the creation of the U.S.-Russia Bilateral Presidential Commission. Mrs. Clinton as secretary of state directed the American side, and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov represented the Russians. The stated goal at the time: “identifying areas of cooperation and pursuing joint projects and actions that strengthen strategic stability, international security, economic well-being, and the development of ties between the Russian and American people.”

The Kremlin committed $5 billion over three years to fund Skolkovo. Mrs. Clinton’s State Department worked aggressively to attract U.S. investment partners and helped the Russian State Investment Fund, Rusnano, identify American tech companies worthy of Russian investment. Rusnano, which a scientific adviser to President Vladimir Putin called “Putin’s child,” was created in 2007 and relies entirely on Russian state funding.

What could possibly go wrong?

Soon, dozens of U.S. tech firms, including top Clinton Foundation donors like Google, Intel and Cisco, made major financial contributions to Skolkovo, with Cisco committing a cool $1 billion. In May 2010, the State Department facilitated a Moscow visit by 22 of the biggest names in U.S. venture capital—and weeks later the first memorandums of understanding were signed by Skolkovo and American companies.

By 2012 the vice president of the Skolkovo Foundation, Conor Lenihan—who had previously partnered with the Clinton Foundation—recorded that Skolkovo had assembled 28 Russian, American and European “Key Partners.” Of the 28 “partners,” 17, or 60%, have made financial commitments to the Clinton Foundation, totaling tens of millions of dollars, or sponsored speeches by Bill Clinton.

Russians tied to Skolkovo also flowed funds to the Clinton Foundation. Andrey Vavilov, the chairman of SuperOx, which is part of Skolkovo’s nuclear-research cluster, donated between $10,000 and $25,000 (donations are reported in ranges, not exact amounts) to the Clinton’s family charity. Skolkovo Foundation chief and billionaire Putin confidant Viktor Vekselberg also gave to the Clinton Foundation through his company, Renova Group.

Amid all the sloshing of Russia rubles and American dollars, however, the state-of-the-art technological research coming out of Skolkovo raised alarms among U.S. military experts and federal law-enforcement officials. Research conducted in 2012 on Skolkovo by the U.S. Army Foreign Military Studies Program at Fort Leavenworth declared that the purpose of Skolkovo was to serve as a “vehicle for world-wide technology transfer to Russia in the areas of information technology, biomedicine, energy, satellite and space technology, and nuclear technology.”

Moreover, the report said: “the Skolkovo Foundation has, in fact, been involved in defense-related activities since December 2011, when it approved the first weapons-related project—the development of a hypersonic cruise missile engine. . . . Not all of the center’s efforts are civilian in nature.”

No Way wrote:

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That has nothing to do with either of our statements. You said that if Khan lived in a Muslim nation, that he wouldn't have the freedom of expression. He might, or he might not. Not all Muslim nations are the same.

You are right. They are not all the same, but they are quickly becoming the same. Turkey is sliding into Islamo-fascism right now. The number of Muslim dominated countries which tolerate other religions is getting smaller every day. It's a good idea to shut off immigration from those countries until that trend is reversed.

DiscoGary wrote:

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Terrorism is not unique to a particular religion, nor is any form of violence. I don't claim that there's something particularly wrong with Christianity even though the fiercely Catholic Ustase murdered over 300,000 Serbs and forcibly converted thousands more. I understand that their brutal views were not shared by the wider Christian community. I understand that the Provisional IRA's bombings weren't representative of the Irish Republic and its people as a whole.

Muslims are committing genocide against Christians in the Middle East as we write. Why are you compelled to blame Christianity every time a Muslim slices off a Christian head?

I don't know if you could have concocted a worse summary of what I wrote. I've bolded the key parts to highlight the error in what you read.

DiscoGary wrote:

And if Khan were living in a Muslim dominated country he would not be able to take a principled stand on anything. He would have to obey the laws laid down by the Mullahs or have his head cut off. That's what's happening in the Middle East right now, Muslims are committing genocide against Christians. Muslims are today's Nazis, not White Americans.

You shouldn't paint with such a broad brush. Not every Muslim-majority country is the same.

DiscoGary wrote:

No Way wrote:

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That has nothing to do with either of our statements. You said that if Khan lived in a Muslim nation, that he wouldn't have the freedom of expression. He might, or he might not. Not all Muslim nations are the same.

You are right. They are not all the same, but they are quickly becoming the same. Turkey is sliding into Islamo-fascism right now. The number of Muslim dominated countries which tolerate other religions is getting smaller every day. It's a good idea to shut off immigration from those countries until that trend is reversed.

Is that why Tunisia's post-revolution government recently appointed a Jewish minister?

Flagpole wrote:

rojo wrote:

I think Trump's comments about Mexicans were deplorable but I do think his idea of wanting to have an immigration policy that makes sense (not rewarding those who come here illegally) is a sound one.

Rojo,

So, you are going to vote for Donald Trump because you like one idea he has about immigration policy?

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BUT, do know that my only concern here is for your own conscious. Your vote for Trump or not does not determine the victor. Hillary has this won EASILY. You can just tell yourself that Hillary is just the lesser of two evils, and she is that for sure. Donald Trump is evil to the core, unable to show empathy, and a horrible, horrible person.

Trump's comments about Mexicans are factual. 80% of the female immigrants from Central America coming through Mexico are raped.

Mr. Pole, THAT is what pure evil really looks like. (Actually, if you want to see distilled pure evil search for Mexican cartel murders. You won't be able to un-see what comes up on the screen, so be forewarned!) Do you have any empathy for them? Are you really such a horrible, horrible person that you don't care about all those women and young girls getting raped? When you search your core do you find only evil there? Do you have any moral code left? I worry about your conscience.

Trump is right to bring attention to this. If Hillary gave a damn about protecting women she would be leading the charge against the Mexicans who rape all those defenseless women. I guess Trump is the only one with a heart left in the race.

If anyone out there in the world actually loves Trump or cares about him, they had better muzzle that guy when he loses to Hillary.

He has such a sense of self-importance that he is VERY apt to say something treasonous in defeat. He'd better watch it, because he will be imprisoned or worse if he isn't careful. I am serious about this too. In fact, I see this as a 60-40 possibility with the 60 being that he is imprisoned for something he says or does following his defeat. And, the only reason I give that number so low is that I still can't quite believe that he's not human in there somewhere. Part of me thinks there's no way he WON'T be imprisoned following his defeat due to something he does, but I'll stick with 60-40.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

You are right. They are not all the same, but they are quickly becoming the same. Turkey is sliding into Islamo-fascism right now. The number of Muslim dominated countries which tolerate other religions is getting smaller every day. It's a good idea to shut off immigration from those countries until that trend is reversed.

Is that why Tunisia's post-revolution government recently appointed a Jewish minister?

http://www.jns.org/news-briefs/2014/1/16/tunisias-next-tourism-minister-will-be-jewish

From your own link: "According to reports, Mehdi has also faced some opposition from the Islamist Ennahda party to not appoint Trabelsi."

Almost all Jews have been removed from Muslims countries:

Radical islam is the new nazism.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

You are right. They are not all the same, but they are quickly becoming the same. Turkey is sliding into Islamo-fascism right now. The number of Muslim dominated countries which tolerate other religions is getting smaller every day. It's a good idea to shut off immigration from those countries until that trend is reversed.

Is that why Tunisia's post-revolution government recently appointed a Jewish minister?

http://www.jns.org/news-briefs/2014/1/16/tunisias-next-tourism-minister-will-be-jewish

Tunisia is working very hard to be a peaceful, tolerant, secular society. I hope they make it, but among Muslim dominated countries they are the exception. Do you really think American Christians are just as bad as Middle Eastern Muslims? You can't possible believe that. Please explain why you are going to such great lengths to cover for a political system like Islam, which is completely incompatible with a secular, tolerant, multi-cultural, free society?

Gary, we've debated a few times on these boards, and I've always felt that we kept it civil and probably both learned from each other.

Unfortunately, I've now decided that you're an idiot.

First of all, yes, many migrants are raped and it's awful. Those migrants are fleeing horrible conditions and experience horrible conditions all along the way. Guess where those migrants want to go? The USA! The migrants that come to the USA are fleeing the rapists! The people being raped are the ones coming to the USA. Do some rapists come? Sure. However, they're not the bulk of immigrants. The bulk are the ones fleeing the rapists.

Second of all, what do you think Trump is going to do to prevent migrants from being raped? Build a wall? How does that help? The only way to help is to improve the conditions in the nations that the migrants are coming from and to protect them.

Building a wall will stop the human trafficking, which is what exposes those women to Mexican rapists. Trump was right. There MUST be a huge number of Mexican rapists for that 80% number to be right. He showed that he cares about those women, while all the Democrats would rather take shots at Trump and build their political base with poor immigrants than help prevent more rapes.

You are right when you say we should help Central American nations improve their own conditions, but you better check that idea with your liberal friends. They don't think we have any ideas worth exporting.

DiscoGary wrote:

Building a wall will stop the human trafficking

How?

No Way wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

Building a wall will stop the human trafficking

How?

Right now they simply walk into the US. By making it MUCH harder to get across the border Trump will discourage most of them from even trying. This will shut down most of the human trafficking along with most of the rapes.

rozzi wrote:

From your own link: "According to reports, Mehdi has also faced some opposition from the Islamist Ennahda party to not appoint Trabelsi."

And? Eric Fanning faced some opposition from members of the Republican Party for his appointment as Secretary of the Army:

People have their opinions.

Democrats hate Christians.

Rape can be perpetrated by anyone along the way, including guides, fellow migrants, bandits or government officials, according to Fusion.

So many of the rapists are the immigrants themselves. You know, the ones coming into the country that Trump wants to keep out. Trump was right, and he's right about shutting down immigration from Muslim dominated countries. You play the race card and the PC card all day, but Trump's still right.

DiscoGary wrote: Muslims are today's Nazis, not White Americans.

A billion-plus Muslims living peaceful, productive lives don't agree with you. Neither does most of the rest of the world, including myself.

Honestly, you need to get some help. The world is not this frightening.

Are there bad people doing bad things? Sure.

DiscoGary wrote:

No Way wrote:

How?

Right now they simply walk into the US. By making it MUCH harder to get across the border Trump will discourage most of them from even trying. This will shut down most of the human trafficking along with most of the rapes.

Unlikely. They will continue to try. There will be other ways into the country. Those ways will be harder, and cost more for the migrants. Instead of paying a coyote to lead them through the desert, it will be through a tunnel, and it will cost much much more. The same who rape and profit now will continue to do so. They will simply profit more.