Daphne Schippers Swollen Beyond Recognition

Any one thing is not a red flag in my eyes, but her body of work (pun not intended) leads me to the attitude that I would not be surprised if she tested positive in 2016's culture of "if you are not cheating, you are not trying."

I understand you wanting these elite runners to be clean, but there is no way that is happening. ALL elite runners use PED in order to be competitive. I don't understand how intelligent people cannot easily figure this out.

Pavlov's belly wrote:

All four teenage mutant ninja turtles in one nice pic

http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8m09ofwyl1qjv1g0o1_1280.png

LOL. Disgusting.

Only a moron would think these are clean.

D.S. isn't cleanier or dirtier than her competition, she is probably using thesame training methods & the same products than her opponents.People are right to point out the physique of some american female sprinters to point out what "juiced up" physique looks (like Jeter's one).But nobody is giving free pass to Jeter on this Board, in fact, the nickname "Pharmalita" is a letsrun invention.However, It seems that some posters are blinded by their nationalism and are ready to invent anything to defend their countrymen. D.S. is one of the biggest sprinter out there and her physical transformation is astonishing.Before : http://www.girlswithmuscle.com/images/full/808421166.jpgAfter: http://www.libralion.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/dafne-schippers.jpghttp://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/485345072-dafne-schippers-of-the-netherlands-competes-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=X7WJLa88Cweo9HktRLaNXm57lRchHXLt2%2FcO2UWCtO%2BffFiUs4LxI3GCABoWu7EHrgjd5F1gHBh5dK5zRo7O%2BQ%3D%3DThe difference in upper body is striking People who will point that there are 3 to 4 years between these pics, I will gently answer that for females, time is not an issue. It's the hormones, females do not produce naturally enough androgens to bulk up like that whether they've been lifting for 2 or 10 years. Even a male with a Testosterone level in bottom range will have five times the level of a female in the top range

Kabayo wrote:

So did Marion Jones wrote:

[quote]Kabayo wrote:

Next to the real top elite in female 100m sprinting, Schippers looks like a little girl.

So did Marion Jones.

The proof is not the acne.

The proof is that she looks like a MAN.

all sprinters are doped up wrote:

Pavlov's belly wrote:

All four teenage mutant ninja turtles in one nice pic

http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8m09ofwyl1qjv1g0o1_1280.png

LOL. Disgusting.

Only a moron would think these are clean.

Hilarious. You've never been to the gym or done an ab crunch in your life.

I know lots of people find scrawny, skinny distance runners disgusting.

You think muscles can't be built with hard work?

Metric Miler wrote:

Hilarious. You've never been to the gym or done an ab crunch in your life.

I know lots of people find scrawny, skinny distance runners disgusting.

You think muscles can't be built with hard work?

Being a (former) sprinter and a coach myself I believe muscles can be build up with hard work and dedication. For sure.

However: the bellys from the girls in the US have ALL signs of hardcore HGH en IGF use. You don't get a (Coleman) gut like that from doing crunches, especially not if you're female.

The number one side effect of steroid use is abnormally large muscles. She certainly has that side effect.

It is hilarious when you compare the physiques of elite female sprinters to famous male athletes in the early 1900’s.

I do not think that heavyweight boxers like Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney or Max Baer would have stood a chance against her. LOL

Even an extremely rare natural freak like Primo Carnera would have a hard time wrestling her!

If you think Dafne Schippers secret is weight training and protein shakes then you are so stupid you are dangerous.

If you think it is possible for a female to develop the muscle mass of a fully-grown male, then this only proves that you have a very low IQ.

Females do not have testicles. They are incapable of producing enough testosterone to facilitate the development of that much muscle mass. It is biologically impossible.

It really is embarrassing how incredibly dumb some people are.

Wow, you certainly have no lack of testosterone, chief. that's some serious natural roid rage!

Metric Miler wrote:

all sprinters are doped up wrote:

LOL. Disgusting.

Only a moron would think these are clean.

Hilarious. You've never been to the gym or done an ab crunch in your life.

I know lots of people find scrawny, skinny distance runners disgusting.

You think muscles can't be built with hard work?

You really believe that anyone can get abs like these women by doing ab crunches? That's really very funny. Naive and stupid, but funny.

Kabayo wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

Hilarious. You've never been to the gym or done an ab crunch in your life.

I know lots of people find scrawny, skinny distance runners disgusting.

You think muscles can't be built with hard work?

Being a (former) sprinter and a coach myself I believe muscles can be build up with hard work and dedication. For sure.

However: the bellys from the girls in the US have ALL signs of hardcore HGH en IGF use. You don't get a (Coleman) gut like that from doing crunches, especially not if you're female.

Can you explain to me what it does to the gut? How is the gut different?

Also, is there no testing for IGF? Are people taking it on cycles hoping they don't get tested out of competition?

Wow she used to be hot and now looks like a man roids for sure a blind person could see that.

There is a test, but likely isn't employed often:

But, as with most substances, it's detectability isn't the main issue. EPO, for example often goes untested in urine analysis. Testosterone and HGH are even more rare, with more intensive analysis required.

Here is an example from Australia:

These more sophisticated drugs are not screened per se, but likely only employed in target testing, like Olympic retests or when an NADO has other evidence to target an athlete.

I have had a $10,000 bet with any elite runners to take a real test. I put it on T&F news 20 years ago, and NO TAKERS. It was in response to the thrower from an Ivy League school.This was years ago. He correctly said the onus is on the federations to make the correct type of test.

So no scammer, fraud??? Truth teller. I have competed and academically researched and writtten about this subject. My opinon has been in the WSJ. So I know what I am talking about. And there are many, many scholars that agree with me. But it doesn't really matter to me or them or you. But it is pretty easy to figure out.

1000 wrote:

The number one side effect of steroid use is abnormally large muscles. She certainly has that side effect.

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No she has not. Go and look her up IN PERSON and try again.

She's not that muscular as many of you would like to believe. She's one of the more slender female sprinters in the current elite field. She's just tall, but that's how the Dutch are build.

If you look at muscle development from for instance SAFP, VCB, Pierre, Ahoure, OKagbare, etc, these women are way way way more overdeveloped muscle wise, but they're short and might not intimidate you as much as a women like Schippers that towers you by 15cm ;-)

I can tell you that most of the above are so way out of proportion that it's downright ridiculous. Not from looking at pics, but from meeting them in person.

On top of that: all of them have at least as serious an acne problem as Schippers does...you just don't notice that on black skin and under layers of make-up . Some of them also smell like your 62y old hairy sweaty uncle. Ammonia, eggs, call it what you want, but I know from training in the same venue as known users what that smell means.

This is Schippers. A 23 year old living with mum and dad, no beast with bulging muscles (like some of the other girls):

(pic taken last week!)

No steroids there...can't be said about many of her competitors.

Please, next time you post pics, avoid heavily hairbrushed and pshopped pics specially made for PR and to make her sponsor happy (the " Just do it " should have been bigger) !

Look at this pic :

Tell me where you see slenderness there !

Kabayo wrote:

And then Schippers ís dirty, now is she?

I said that Schippers has the Allan Wells look, the links you posted lead us nowhere, so she has a muscular frame like a Jamaican drug cheat and a Nigerian drug cheat. If anything it confirms what many here are saying, how dirty sprinting is. Anyway I wasn't the one harping on about the acne, to me it's the icing on the cake.

Decathletes/heptathletes are heavier than sprinters. A few years back ì used to have the pleasure of sharing an empty stadium for training purposes with a gorgeous globally ranked (top 18) heptathlete. She was a competitive but ultimately unsuccessful sprinter/hurdler who switched and this made her look more feminine (and even more beautiful) I used to train hard in those days just to impress her, she paid no attention to me!!!

The best all time 5K performances PRIMARILY happened in the following years:

97-98

2004

2006

2012

Olympic Truth wrote:

I understand you wanting these elite runners to be clean, but there is no way that is happening. ALL elite runners use PED in order to be competitive. I don't understand how intelligent people cannot easily figure this out.

As much as I'd love to be a naive fan, the above poster is generally correct. There are a FEW exceptions I'm sure but not many.

Also, for the guys talking about the increase in marathon performance lately and saying "expectations have improved" and the "goal posts have been moved." Uh for East Africans I guess. But how come Europeans and Americans are still plodding along at 2:11 every year? ONLY the the East Africans are putting up all these consistent 2:03/2:04s...everywhere else it's still unheard of. That's suspicious AF.