Russia has invaded Ukraine. If you were the US President how do you respond?

Under our lies to them, they did. Remember that we fabricated it all in order to occupy Iraq and to get our hands on the oil.

Loof Loofer wrote:

Send Putin an email greeting card, "Back off Boris, 'cause you can't back it up."

Fact is, Putin is overreaching and Obama knows it.

This Russia we are talking about. The country that ruled half of Europe and had American school kids hiding under their desks for the best part of 50 years.

We need a peace conference to

1) settle issues of independence, sovereignty

2) open clear access to intelligence and military information in all nations

3) setup procedures to peacefully reconstitute old nations into new nations

The result is a new world body based physically on an internet server that governs international human rights, self-deterimination, freedom, independence, suffrage, and democracy.

Internet based Sovereign KING wrote:

The result is a new world body based physically on an internet server that governs international human rights, self-deterimination, freedom, independence, suffrage, and democracy.

Just the one internet server?

You left out a couple things about Iraq; sadaam gassed thousands of Kurds and refused to adhere to the terms of the ceasefire in gulf war 1. The un issued 13 resolutions against Iraq for refusal. In a post 911 world, basically telling the US to get bent was not a good idea. Russia used its veto to block UN involvement in Iraq so the US went with a few countries.

It wasn't just bush, look up Clinton's comments on Iraq, she was all in for an Iraq invasion too.

Good point on Afghanistan, most ungrateful country ever, let al Qaeda set up shop to attack the very country that saved it 20 years later.

In contrast, canada gets tulips 70 years after helping holland.

Side note, not sure if anyone pointed out how Sarah Palin was ridiculed for pointing out Russia May invade Ukrane next. Romney was ridiculed for saying Russia was the biggest threat. Turns out they were right.

FYI:

In 1954, a controversial decision of Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev, himself an ethnic Ukrainian, transferred the Crimea peninsula to the Ukrainian SSR, extracting it from Russian territory. Following the breakup of the Soviet Union, Khrushchev’s “gift” has been widely criticized by many Russians, including the majority of those living in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea.

So, to be clear, Russia has invaded the part of Ukraine that really should be part of Russia, they are 2/3 Russia speakers and only belong to the Ukraine because Khrushchev decided to favor his birthplace.

My answer, is we should do anything short of invade to help the Ukraine remain a country while transferring the Crimea back to Russia where it belongs.

Does it change anyone's response if they know that a democratic vote in Crimea on whether to move the region back to Russia would result in a landslide favorable response?

this is the problem, yeah.

Although I dispute your poll suggesting a landslide vote to rejoin Russia.

The West's problem is this: There are NATO countries with substantial Russian populations.

Baltics and Poland and probably other places.

If Putin has appointed himself savior of the Slavs and this precedent stands...he will believe he has every right to invade Lithuania or Latvia the next time there is some sort of unease there. he will send in unmarked soldiers to protect the russians...

so the point is to uphold international law and make it clear that national borders trump ethnic connections.

Dude! WTF did you cutnpaste that wall of words???!! This a messageboard not your own god d@mn blog.

Post a link or fuggetaboutit.

I did two tours on the Sino/Soviet border as Intell. Ops SAC.

Everyone on here posting has no idea of what they are talking about. None. War with RUSSIA...are you all insane!

You didn't forget anything wrote:

not a libtard wrote:

Cool copy and paste from your libtard website, bro.

Hey, you remembered to use the word 'libtard'. It's even in your name for extra credit.

Your post is worthy of great respect...admiration even...adulation perhaps...dare I say worship?

We bow before the ultimate con man.

In the spirit of this website, let me just say one thing: your welcome.

agip wrote:

So, to be clear, Russia has invaded the part of Ukraine that really should be part of Russia, they are 2/3 Russia speakers and only belong to the Ukraine because Khrushchev decided to favor his birthplace.

this is the problem, yeah.

Although I dispute your poll suggesting a landslide vote to rejoin Russia.

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FYI,

"Crimean parliament votes to join Russia, referendum on move March 16

The parliament, which enjoys a degree of autonomy under current Ukrainian law, voted 78-0 with eight abstentions in favor of holding the referendum and joining Russia."

I still think its going to be a landslide vote to join Russia.

random3 wrote:

agip wrote:

So, to be clear, Russia has invaded the part of Ukraine that really should be part of Russia, they are 2/3 Russia speakers and only belong to the Ukraine because Khrushchev decided to favor his birthplace.

this is the problem, yeah.

Although I dispute your poll suggesting a landslide vote to rejoin Russia.

FYI,

"Crimean parliament votes to join Russia, referendum on move March 16

The parliament, which enjoys a degree of autonomy under current Ukrainian law, voted 78-0 with eight abstentions in favor of holding the referendum and joining Russia."

I still think its going to be a landslide vote to join Russia.[/quote]

well ok, but obviously there is a freaking gun to their head - that vote would probably look a lot different if it had been taken 3 months ago.

When Legkov, Vuilegzhanin and Chernousov swept the 50k and clinched the medal count victory, it energized all of Russia. It was the turning point from Russia's decline to resurgence. They now believe they can do anything and fear nobody. They are nastoyashie again. Of course they will use soldiers to secure their interests in Kruim, most of whom were already there anyhow. Not a big deal.

The US president can do nothing because America is drowning in misery, back-biting and self hatred. To an American, the biggest enemy is other Americans. This universal pessimism will precipitate the country into a death spiral from which it will not emerge for decades.

random3 wrote:

FYI,

"Crimean parliament votes to join Russia, referendum on move March 16

The parliament, which enjoys a degree of autonomy under current Ukrainian law, voted 78-0 with eight abstentions in favor of holding the referendum and joining Russia."

I still think its going to be a landslide vote to join Russia.

The council of ministers having being dissolved at gunpoint last week and replaced with Russian cronies.

Insane. wrote:

I did two tours on the Sino/Soviet border as Intell. Ops SAC.

Everyone on here posting has no idea of what they are talking about. None. War with RUSSIA...are you all insane!

By convention, questions are punctuated with question marks?

If Russia does not give the Crimea back, we should send them Texas.

There is a VERY big difference and Putin certainly knows it. These are the member states if NATO. They are all protected by the nuclear umbrella:

An invasion of Ukraine can result in international comdemnation, and that's it. An invasion of Poland could result in a nuclear response.

I happen to like playing chess with Russians. I've never seen a Russion chess player who would weaken his control of the center to improve the position of a piece he already has. That's what Putin has done. He has improved control of that one base, but he has pushed all of the Warsaw Pact nations plus some others like Ukraine further toward the west. When you play against the Queen's Gambit, you don't take that pawn. Russia get Crimea. And the west gains control over everything else.

I wouldn't want to play against this particular Russian. Too easy.

coach d wrote:He has improved control of that one base, but he has pushed all of the Warsaw Pact nations plus some others like Ukraine further toward the west.

The world is not a chessboard. Power does not flow around on a 2-d map with the middle in control. There are no rules, no taking turns, and no way to win the game. There are no unique objectives, often none at all, and governments spend a lot of money trying to figure out just what other governments want.

Putin's already got what he wants: vast resources, a nuclear deterrent, a united country, and a military stronger than any around him. In particular he exports gas and oil. If Russia and Europe were two ends of a chessboard, Russia's end would be a hill with a big fortress on it. Europe can put as many pawns with torches and pitchforks on Russia's doorstep as it wants, none of them will live long.

The long-term goal of pawning western subversion efforts near its border is to raise Russia's political stock. There is little risk, because the battles are easy to win. But there is great reward because the opponent is America. Despite what AP and Reuters say, most of the world wants to see America lose. Russia is making a hero out of itself and America is too dumb to realize it.

As for the Warsaw Pact, in the end they are Slavs and Uralics. They're like Russians and not like Germans. They'll always end up aligned with Russia for that reason. When Russia's economy gets stronger, they'll forget all about the EU.

You mean Mongoloids. Eastern Europe are totally mixed-in from the Mongol Hordes. They aren't white like France and Germany. A bunch of orientals. The books say 1200-1500, from Hungary, Poland, Baltics, Yugoslavia, to the east, all the way to the Pacific Ocean, was owned by Mongolia.