Teabagger Tancredo wrote:
Wasn't Rosie Ruiz arrested by police for what she did?
Why not the same for Dr Litton?
+1
That post from Reality in Perspective on page 5 was a well thought out and reasoned retort to the new yorker article and lets run hysteria. Just makes you realize there is another side to the story.
fast abr wrote:
That post from Reality in Perspective on page 5 was a well thought out and reasoned retort to the new yorker article and lets run hysteria. Just makes you realize there is another side to the story.
There was not a single coherent thought or effort at reasoning in that entire post. If you want to defend Litton, why don't you try responding to any of the damning facts against him? Not one of them has ever been rebutted by his defenders.
Kevin52 wrote:
rojo wrote:Wow. This is starting to anger me. Before, I cared very little about the Kip Litton story and paid almost no attention to it but 100% know he cheated.
Now there are deniers years after the fact?
I wonder if it is reputation.com. It's almost laughable. The guy made up a full marathon and even created a website for it. How is that defensible?
Lots of people have offered to watch him race - he's never done it - but now people are saying, he's racing in secret.
Lastly, to "Reality in perspective". If you are a real person (i've pasted your post below), please tell Kip I'll pay $1000 for him to run a marathon in 2014 as long as he starts and runs an official 26.2 marathon and as long I am told what marathon it will be at least 14 days in advance and am allowed to walk/ride next to Kip and film the whole thing.
I'll pay an extra $1000 if he breaks 3:30.
It's highly plausible the 0bama administration quietly has had Kip consulting on transparency issues and most recently advising on the 0bamacare rollout (due to his extensive website experience).
He's just too busy to race and $2k is chump change to anyone working in that arena.
Well Didn't kip say in the New Yorker that he makes more money as an Amway salesman than doing dentistry and same thing with his wife as an attorney?
There is no other side, only falsehoods, bs, and lies. Please explain what other side there is, I'm all ears spanky.
FrontRunner wrote:
Not many back-of-the-packers do. No reason for an RD to do that.
KIp Twitton wrote:
I've run over 700 races, never been DQ'd, to be DQ'd just once even for a technicality however innocent would be a crushing experience, to be DQ'd more than once over cheating is just incredible.
Any alleged "supporters" of his need to consider the following, there is loyalty then there is idiotic refusal to see the truth and you help nobody by prolonging this fantasy.
Kip - ignoring the stupidity of your "back-of-the-packers" remark (I could claim any kind of PRs like 90% of the BS on here but I'm generally in the top 25% of any field), are you seriously suggesting that race directors don't care about rule-breaking and outright cheating?
Talk me through the infamous "Jean's Marines" then, were they threatening to win ?
It doesn't matter where someone is in a race, they have to abide by the same rules as anyone else.
Why is it that when a baseball fan at an MLB game or NFL game goes out into the field he is pinned down and cuffed by police for interfering with a sporting event, but when Kip Litton interferes with an athletic competition by skipping portions of courses & re-entering at some point later on the course, he is not held responsible by police or security?
If a fan runs out onto the marathon course and tackles an elite he/she probably goes to jail, but what about an amateur runner? Probably not.
ROJO: its impossible for you to know 100% he cheated because he didn't. You may think that he did, but other than circumstancial, there is no evidence. If you think he cheated then why have you found it neccessary to keep deleting posts that help provide info that he didnt cheat??
Valid explanations for all accusations have been given to many of us and the writers, but obviously they would not print them and contradict their own premise. Based on how well and how long we have known Kip, his integrity, and his simple and logical explanations, the vast majority of us were satisfied quite a while ago. No matter how many times some posters repeatedly contradict this does not make it so. You may not realize that when you characterize Kip as less than a tremendous individual (something we know 100%) all it does is cast serious doubt on your other spurious cheating claims.
Stopdeletingthefacts wrote:
ROJO: its impossible for you to know 100% he cheated because he didn't. You may think that he did, but other than circumstancial, there is no evidence. If you think he cheated then why have you found it neccessary to keep deleting posts that help provide info that he didnt cheat??
Valid explanations for all accusations have been given to many of us and the writers, but obviously they would not print them and contradict their own premise. Based on how well and how long we have known Kip, his integrity, and his simple and logical explanations, the vast majority of us were satisfied quite a while ago. No matter how many times some posters repeatedly contradict this does not make it so. You may not realize that when you characterize Kip as less than a tremendous individual (something we know 100%) all it does is cast serious doubt on your other spurious cheating claims.
why can't you identify yourself?
Is this Dan Baxley?
Mr. Mackey wrote:
Lance didn't dope and Kip didn't cheat mmk?
Lance Armstrong doped.
fast abr wrote:
That post from Reality in Perspective on page 5 was a well thought out and reasoned retort to the new yorker article and lets run hysteria. Just makes you realize there is another side to the story.
Well said, sir!
Yes, a valid reason he could be walking and somehow run faster splits LATER in the race at Boston, but was not seen ONCE in a still photo or video actually RUNNING during these portions of the race...like everybody else was doing.
At his walking pace it would be what, a 14 minute mile???? Somehow those splits even out during the checkpoints as 6 plus minute mile pace. So then he ran a couple 4 minute miles to make up for it?????
Over 4 minutes to cross the starting line of a 5k but somehow runs 17 plus minutes. That's not circumstantial, it would be an impossibility for him to do. With that said he could not have run the same course from start to finish as everyone else did.
No it's not impossible to know that he cheated 100% as there is no other explanation. No matter how many times you contradict the overwhelming evidence against him does not make him innocent.
Please list the "valid explanations" that have been given to many of us, as you claim.
Rebuttal?
Buehler? Buehler? Buehler?
That's what I thought.
Interesting that J. Piggott and Kip both have large gaps between their gun time and net time. Can't find anyone else on the leaderboard with that problem. Hmmmmmmmm.
ghost of jake powell wrote:
J. Piggott wrote:I can't speak for all the races, but I did run one marathon with Kip in 2010 (Shamrock in Virginia Beach). I can vouch that he ran a legit 2:53 there. If he could do that, all of these other race times in question are obviously within his capability. It makes no sense to cheat for finish times that are equal to or even slower than he has already run. Seems like a losing argument.
So you're claiming to be this guy?
JOHN PIGGOTT WILLIAMSBURG VA 44 Male 2:48:13
Someone should contact the real John Piggott to see what he thinks about you impersonating him online.
Whoa! Censoring posts to prevent a defense is whack! This is not good. It is a henious and deceptive thing to do. Sad all around.I think if nothing else he is innocent based on a technicality.
Just found this. http://articles.dailypress.com/2010-03-21/sports/dp-spt_shamrock_0322mar22_1_john-piggott-262-mile-race-raisesMay explain the differential?
Did you notice wrote:
Interesting that J. Piggott and Kip both have large gaps between their gun time and net time. Can't find anyone else on the leaderboard with that problem. Hmmmmmmmm.
ghost of jake powell wrote:So you're claiming to be this guy?
JOHN PIGGOTT WILLIAMSBURG VA 44 Male 2:48:13
Someone should contact the real John Piggott to see what he thinks about you impersonating him online.
Bam. And there are all these unethical liars here that are calling out Dr Litton for doing the exact same thing! Many of DR Litton's patients have cheered him on during his fund raising races also. Just goes to show you that there can always be a logical explanation for things that may not seem quite right at first.
ytbdijwfhgdb wrote:
Bam. And there are all these unethical liars here that are calling out Dr Litton for doing the exact same thing! Many of DR Litton's patients have cheered him on during his fund raising races also. Just goes to show you that there can always be a logical explanation for things that may not seem quite right at first.
So how much money has Kip raised for charity? Where is this money? Where are the articles about the thousands he's raised by starting at the back of the pack at all of these marathons.
The New Yorker writer reported that Kip and his wife have donated $20 to the charity Kip himself stated would benefit from his "World Record Run." If that figure is incorrect, why wouldn't he come forward? Let me guess, he's just that modest, right?
J. Piggott wrote:
I can't speak for all the races, but I did run one marathon with Kip in 2010 (Shamrock in Virginia Beach). I can vouch that he ran a legit 2:53 there. If he could do that, all of these other race times in question are obviously within his capability. It makes no sense to cheat for finish times that are equal to or even slower than he has already run. Seems like a losing argument.
Lessee. According to the race results, Kip would have crossed the start line 5 seconds ahead of you so I would buy into you having seen him at the start, and if you both pushed through the crowd early you both would be obvious to each other.
However, you finished almost 5 minutes ahead of him, a pretty sizeable difference. It would seem to me that having to push your way through 2800 people and running at a faster pace, it wouldn't be long before you lose track of him. I'm guessing that if this is indeed John Piggott, you could verify that he started and finished the race but I can't see how you could verify the bulk of the inbetween.
