thanks!
thanks!
Speaking of blowing up badly, despite finding out my car was hit during my phone interview, and despite having people come up to me every 2 minutes to alert me of what happened, and despite dropping my phone on the ground losing all connection with the interviewer...
I got a 2nd interview! They love me. I can answer their questions with car parts flying around
Can steep uphills cause the quads to be sore?
Justin91 wrote:
Speedgoatkarl wrote:The only haters here are the ultra runners. I think ultra running is great, and that running hilly trails is a lot more fun than running on a dirty path in the park. Same reason I prefer mountain biking to road biking. Just don't be delusional and argue that a 2:16 guy can't smoke elite ultra runners.
Ok, would a cycling champ at the tour de france beat a few mountain bikers. Landis tried....didn't win, same analogy?
This has little to do with the intrinsic nature of the disciplines and everything to do with the size of the talent pool. Mountain biking is hugely popular, to the point where it is a significant feeder system for road biking. If trail running ever gets that kind of talent pool, then C list roadies won't be able to beat trail runners. That day hasn't arrived.
It is amazing the lengths that ultra will go to in order to avoid saying the words "A C list roadie can beat the top ultras".[/quote]
Ultrarunners don't put ourselves in a "class", we are all the same, fast or slow and we appreciate what each person does, last or first. I stood on a 5k start line a few years ago, each person was looking around sizing up the comp, ultrarunners don't do that, we are friends, not enemies.
anton chigurh wrote:
So look what happened at Leadville when tour riders started entering and how dramatically the times came down. LA won and set a course record on a flat tire, and he wasn't in nearly the shape as in his tour years.
Leipheimer smashed the course record in his first mountain bike race ever. The same thing would happen to ultra records if 2:05 runners started entering.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadville_Trail_100_MTBLA won Leadville in 2009, the same year he came in 3rd at the tour. Also, the distance and time of a 100 mile mountain bike race is not an issue at all for a tour rider. The comparison is more apt to describe what would happen if a bunch of 2:05 guys started entering trail 30K-50K races. Yes, they'd crush. 100 miles running is more like a 400 mile mountain bike race. Things might start to change.
The Leadville 100 mile MTB race is not techincal, that's the difference, not the ability. Of course Lance won, he, (at the time) was the best in the world On a dirt road race. We won't mention any other things either
It's a good idea to have a "gadget" verify a route, but that gadget does not exist yet. I don't know of a garmin or any other watch that tracks for a long enough time. Maybe there is one, but I don't use gadgets, so I can't really evaluate on that too well. Aid stations are located in places where cutting course is tough, sure, switchbacks, things like that can happen....but again, it happens in Europe more than anywhere.
Runners could easily cut corners, go to Europe, it happens daiy.
At RRR, the "issues", certainly happened, but it was a first year race, these things happen during the first years of most races because budgets are very small to have marshalls etc, out there. Honesty is accepted as "good enough" for now.
I will say, the guys that all were competing for the 10k at RRR should have scoped the route beforehand. If they went the wrong way, they should have thought about that.
As far as putting saline, glucose, electrolite drops in their "star" (not sure what star means :-) ) is standard procedure, I carry gel, electrolyte caps. It's not a competition of how far you can go on nothing. Fuel is required to run ultras, it's not required to run anything shorter than a marathon. NO?
I won, 14:34. I know, sub 9's pedestrian..:-)
Speedgoatkarl wrote:
I won, 14:34. I know, sub 9's pedestrian..:-)
Must not have been much competition :p.
How much of this race did you run on "auto pilot"?
As a guy who has seen you at the end of a race looking pretty rough (Massanutten) and given your expertise at running these races, at what point do you start to struggle in any given 100? Mile 70? 80?
Only Buffalos were the competition. :-) We had a few interesting run-ins with them. I ran between a bull and a herd of about 25, that was a little spooky. Not sure if that can happen at a road marathon. :-)
In all fairness in regards to competition. Only Nick Pedatella was my comp. Nick and I are pretty close in general, but he ran into some night vertigo with the cold, which gave me a somewhat "comfortable gap" at about mile 70.
The cold temps and north winds got to alot of folks in the end, and for many it was tough to deal with, especially once they start walking slowly.
When do I start to struggle? Generally after about 80 if things don't go perfectly, then it can become a deathmarch. Last year at Hardrock, someone thru a couch on my back at about 70...it got heavy. :-) I tend to start getting warmed up at about 60 miles, then it's just a matter of continuing to put in a high effort, running or hiking, depending on the course. This particular 100, I didn't really struggle much, I just ran it, finished, and had a few beers with many other folks....the way it should always be.
Great thread man, this one kept many of us entertained for a few days. Love the internet.