melting shoes wrote: FWIW, Victor COnte says that he thinks she is using. He also said that masking EPO is very simple and easy, getting caught is dumb.
Victor Conte = White Male.
Don't forget, Conte served time in prison in 2005 after pleading guilty to conspiracy to distribute steroids and money laundering.
yes... it was all size 13 feet, whirling arms, and lunging a 6'-1" teenage body.
...and...
The backstroke final came barely 10 minutes after Franklin swam a semifinal in the 200 freestyle.
agip wrote:
I'd like to hear from the Science of Sport guys if it is possible for a woman to stay with the best male swimmer in the world. If WADA is going to look for suspicious performances and go from there, start here:
http://london2012.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/lochte-calls-young-chinese-woman-olympic-swimmer-impressive/Speaking of fast, Lochte, who turns 28 next week, was asked what he thought of the closing 100 freestyle leg of the women’s 400 individual winner Ye Shiwen. A 16-year-old from China, Ye covered the final 100 meters in 59.68, only three-hundredths of a second slower than Lochte, who has spent the past three years performing strongman exercises to improve his strength and stamina.
Ye’s final 50 was faster than that of Lochte, who was much quicker overall. He clocked a 4:05.18 to Ye’s 4:28.43, a women’s world record.
“Yeah, we were all talking about that at dinner last night,” Lochte said. “It’s pretty impressive. I know it was a female. She’s fast. If she was there with me, I don’t know, she might have beat me.”
The real problem is Ryan Lochte's more interested in being a Twitt w/a "grill" in his mouth than focusing on the task at hand and being an Olympian
Lochte let the Gold go to his head. The Olympic Village is considered one giant party town. There is a time to play. There is a time to get the job done.
paralysis of analysis wrote:
Missy Franklin, 17 year old, American, while female.
100m Backstroke Gold medal winner at the Olympics today.
Australia's Emily Seebohm, the top qualifier, led at the turn and was under world-record pace, but Franklin showed a remarkable finishing kick. With her arms whirling and size-13 feet pounding the water, the 6-foot-1 swimmer passed the Aussie in the final 25 meters and lunged toward the wall for a winning time of 58.33 seconds.
"She's a racer and she knows what to do," Michael Phelps said.
Ha, ha, ha, ha......
SO?
100m backstroke WR for women is 58.12 w/ speed suit. 58.33 is still 0.11s slower than WR. So she's safe from being accused of doping. On the other hand, Ye broke WR by 1.02s for the 400IM.
And the conspiracy theory side has their first link between the Chinese 2012 team and doping:
https://www.swimnews.com/News/view/9649
" Folk like Zhao Ming, banned for life in 1998 but back on the deck in China with children after a suspension announced in Perth 1998, the archive of cuts confirms, was apparently reduced to eight years sometime afterwards.
Alongside the disgraced Ming, coaches Hiuqin Xu and Zhi Cheng also received suspensions in 1998. Hounds were set racing in London when it was reported that a coach suspended with Zhao as his assistant in the 1990s was accredited as an official at London 2012 and had been sat in the stands watching Ye's super-speed race on Sunday."
While we are talking about suspicion...
Did you notice the Chinese. They are putting "water" on themselves before the race. Didn't think twice for the freestylers, but when the backstroker did it, I thought, could it have certain positive water repellant properties...
Signed
Conspiracy theorist...
comparison wrote: So she's safe from being accused of doping.
Safe? Is that the way to not be a doper? Go slower than WR?
Let me guess. You are white American. Male as well?
6'6" swimmers are a dime a dozen, which you would know if you'd ever watched a swim meet. Training with top Aussie coaches? That can get you a world record. But there are lots of others training with them and lots training with top American coaches.
She could afford to spot a 4:07 swimmer 3 seconds because she knows that she is head and shoulders above her in the free, was not tired at all, and proved it.
This. This thread has gotten way off track with comparisons to Lochte.I don't know much about what a prime age is for swimming events. But it sure as hell isn't 16 years old. Yet she is destroying world records? Sounds way too good to be true.
shadyyy wrote:
Also, it's not that she is Chinese. It's that she is 16 yo. For someone her age to smash the world record is ridiculous. As she matures, she should get down to like 4:25. Im not buying it.
AMERICAN WOMAN UNDER AGE 16 WHO HAVE SET SWIMMING WORLD RECORDS
Anita Nall:
- Age 14. American Record Holder 200m Breast Stroke.
- Age 14. Within 0.37 of WR.
- Age 15. Sets WR at Olympic Trials in 1992.
Mary T. Meagher:
- Age 14. WR in the butterfly at the Pan Am Games in 1979.
Patty Caretto:
- Age 13. WR in 800m Freestyle in 1964 at Los Altos, Cal.
But they're all white fool.
paralysis of analysis wrote:
AMERICAN WOMAN UNDER AGE 16 WHO HAVE SET SWIMMING WORLD RECORDS
Anita Nall:
- Age 14. American Record Holder 200m Breast Stroke.
- Age 14. Within 0.37 of WR.
- Age 15. Sets WR at Olympic Trials in 1992.
Mary T. Meagher:
- Age 14. WR in the butterfly at the Pan Am Games in 1979.
Patty Caretto:
- Age 13. WR in 800m Freestyle in 1964 at Los Altos, Cal.
paralysis of analysis wrote:
AMERICAN WOMAN UNDER AGE 16 WHO HAVE SET SWIMMING WORLD RECORDS
Anita Nall:
- Age 14. American Record Holder 200m Breast Stroke.
- Age 14. Within 0.37 of WR.
- Age 15. Sets WR at Olympic Trials in 1992.
Mary T. Meagher:
- Age 14. WR in the butterfly at the Pan Am Games in 1979.
Patty Caretto:
- Age 13. WR in 800m Freestyle in 1964 at Los Altos, Cal.
All of us aren't 50 years old. 1964 and 1979? Really? This is 2012 foo.
paralysis of analysis wrote:
Missy Franklin, 17 year old, American, while female.
100m Backstroke Gold medal winner at the Olympics today.
Australia's Emily Seebohm, the top qualifier, led at the turn and was under world-record pace, but Franklin showed a remarkable finishing kick. With her arms whirling and size-13 feet pounding the water, the 6-foot-1 swimmer passed the Aussie in the final 25 meters and lunged toward the wall for a winning time of 58.33 seconds.
"She's a racer and she knows what to do," Michael Phelps said.
Ha, ha, ha, ha......
How was her last 25m compared to the guys times in the 100m back final? because that's what the issue here is. That this girl is closing as fast as the guys did and she's young, not that she's winning.
Please ignore post above. Error.
misewell b wrote: ...because that's what the issue here is....
The issue here is you have no control over what the issues is.
The real issue is white American males think they, and only, can control the world, and world opinion.
Well, no. Crawl out of your mommy's basement. On second thought, stay put.
jjjjjjjjj wrote:6'6" swimmers are a dime a dozen, which you would know if you'd ever watched a swim meet
moron
not in the orient they aren't
the korean who he beat in 400 & previous champ from '08 is only 6'0
an oriental guy who is 6'6 is going to be a very rare specimen & i suspect far different in physiological attributes to the plentiful 6'6 western guys
he looks like a 5'10 guy churning it out, but it's in a 6'6 frame - western 6'6 guys don't have that rate & don't go 3'40 in textile
it's like most kenyan 800 guys are 5'10 or less & may go 1'42/1'43
rudisha is a "freak" compared to most of his countryman at 6'2/6'3 & goes 1'41 - there are plenty of western 6'2/6'3 western 800 guys - they don't go 1'41
Training with top Aussie coaches? That can get you a world record. But there are lots of others training with them and lots training with top American coaches
& french/british/german/etc coaches
he only went to oz because thorpe/hackett came from there
i have little doubt he'd have been not significantly slower if he'd stayed in china
She could afford to spot a 4:07 swimmer 3 seconds because she knows that she is head and shoulders above her in the free, was not tired at all, and proved it.
learn to read
i said she is likely in 3'57/3'58 shape to do this
& incidentally, lochte's 400pb is only 3'55
the chinese gal likely 400 is therefore not much slower than lochte's at all & swimming a comparable last 50/100 as fast as him isn't that unexpected
Sprintgeezer wrote:There is no doubt that some girls are capable of incredible athletic feats during their mid-teens, including swimmers--but using Evans as a justification for Shiwen is wrong, as the two performances are not comparable in quality--not just in terms of the magnitudes of the improvements made, or the depth of participation in the event, or the equipment technology relative to the previous WR, but also in the manner of the swim
clueless
evans 400/800 free are comparable to chinese
her 8'16 has only been beaten by adlington's 8'14 & friis 8'15 both in fast suits, but the best adlington has gone in textile is 8'17 & friis 8'18
evans is still fastest intrinsic 800 gal of all time
as for 400, she swam 4'03 off incredible -ve splits finishing with ~ 2'00
if she'd swum that more evenly, she'd have gone 4'01
the textile wr is 4'01, so she may again still have been holding the wr
the reason we know she is definitely clean is that she lost races
she lost her 400 title in '92 by inches in a paltry 4'07 & in atlanta when she musta been motivated as hell to perform in front of a home crowd & still only 24, she got hammered in all her events coming back with no medal
if she had doped, she wouda 3-peated the 400/800 free & 400 i m in '88/'92/'96