David Rudisha is given 4 years to get the US Olympic Trials 'A' Standard for every running event. Could he do it?

Jasari225: "Btw Marcin Lewandowski has clocked 10.61 into a -.4"

One more time--NO, HE DID NOT.

THE IAAF PROFILE PAGE IS INCORRECT.

tshakur--

Thank-you. Another voice of reason.

Rudisha's 100m time would be tough to guess. His start and acceleration would suck, but that stride...even if it took him 70m to get up to speed, at that point he could really be moving pretty fast relative to a 12.0 clocking, even if his turnover is limited.

I think people are underestimating how important SE is to the 200m.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Jasari225: "Btw Marcin Lewandowski has clocked 10.61 into a -.4"

One more time--NO, HE DID NOT.

THE IAAF PROFILE PAGE IS INCORRECT.

haha, this is correct, it was Jakub Lewandowicz who ran that 10.61

iaaf morons, why don't they correct the page? i wonder what else is wrong on the iaaf pages

long way apart wrote:

going from 10.96 to 10;07 is like going from 4:15 to 3:50

Your talking going from what would be a pretty good HS time to a Pro time.

THIS, Almost 9 tenths of a second is an incredibly huge margin in a 100m dash. Sprints are won and lost by a hundredth of a second. A "sprinter second" is so much larger than a "middle distance second." Far too many distance runners try to estimate what they could run for a 100m and think that all they have to do is take off a second or a second and half. They have no idea what an insurmountable feat that could be.

As a high school sprint coach, I agree that most kids are not in the shape they shoud be in. However having been a D1 All American sprinter I have had the opportunity to train and see many sprinters and tell you that if you have talent, you can fairly easly make it down to a certain mark; as in Rudisha's case, say 10.8. However, it will become more difficult to make down even below 10.5. (At least drug free) Many don't realize it's more than just a number; in any sport and especially sprinting you hit a wall. In order to break through; you will have to sling a big hammer of attitude, strength and speed. Many just don't have for 100 meter event. That's way they go up; NOT COME DOWN😆

Finally, there some successful distance runners who have come down with some albeit minor but impressive sprint times in the 400. Coe hit 46.40, Ovet hit 47's, Scott hit48's.

While these are impressive times for those runners they are not so competive at the top levels. It just means they have

good speed that will help the run there distance races at a more comfortable pace and be able to conserve their energy until the end of the race.

An old thread, but here you go.

I gave him 12.50 and then 12.00 upon further reflection, then I negotiated down to 11.6 to make people happy, because Rudisha was at his 800m peak.

Think about this in light of Symmonds, and imagine Rudisha trying to come out of blocks.

Well while the thread is here.... thoughts on Brazier? He has split 45.92 as a senior in high school, I think the 200 B standard is in reach. Also with his 3:37 off of low mileage, I have to think with some miles under his belt he could hit 2:19.

IDK enough about Brazier to be able to say, one way or another.

What’s the standard, 20.50? That’s still fast. In general, no trained 800m guy is going to have that kind of speed, otherwise he would be a 400 guy.

Think about a guy like Kirani James, who was way faster than Brazier over 400m, but has a 200m PB of only 20.41 (+1.1), and who actually ran the race a few times.

If I had to guess, I would say that there is no way that Brazier could get 20.50 without specifically training for it and dropping 800m training.

Wayde Van Niekerk has the 100, 200, and 400 locked up. Sub 10/ 20/ 45 seconds. He has a somewhat slight build so he might be able to move up?

It would be really interesting to see what WVN could do in the 8. Speed to spare, light, long and smooth stride—Wariner, only more so. 400m style is a nice fast run.

800 has a bigger aerobic component though, and WVN is always completely gassed after even a 400.

There is a reason the 400 and 800 are separate events.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

An old thread, but here you go.

I gave him 12.50 and then 12.00 upon further reflection, then I negotiated down to 11.6 to make people happy, because Rudisha was at his 800m peak.

Think about this in light of Symmonds, and imagine Rudisha trying to come out of blocks.

Rudisha at his peak would go 11:low, at least, and maybe sub11. IMO . Comparing him at 1:40:xx against Symmonds today in training runs is a bit silly.

1:40 is 12.5 for 8x100m. There's no in the way world anyone could run that without easily being a sub12 sprinter. Easily.

wtfunny wrote:

Sprintgeezer wrote:

An old thread, but here you go.

I gave him 12.50 and then 12.00 upon further reflection, then I negotiated down to 11.6 to make people happy, because Rudisha was at his 800m peak.

Think about this in light of Symmonds, and imagine Rudisha trying to come out of blocks.

Rudisha at his peak would go 11:low, at least, and maybe sub11. IMO . Comparing him at 1:40:xx against Symmonds today in training runs is a bit silly.

1:40 is 12.5 for 8x100m. There's no in the way world anyone could run that without easily being a sub12 sprinter. Easily.

One-hundred metres is more difficult than it appears. Judging by all the, "Help me break 60 seconds for 400m" threads, I am faster than most here on letsrun 200m to 1000m, but I never was a trained sprinter. In 3rd or 4th grade, we raced 50 yard dash and 400 yard dash in P.E. class. Fifth grade through 9th grade, raced 50 yard dash and 600 yard run; in high school, 50m dash and 600m run. I always was able to average faster per 50 yards in 400 yard dash and 600 yard run than my 50 yard dash time. I averaged faster per 50m in 600m than my 50m dash performance. I doubt David Rudisha was ever capable of sprinting sub-11 FAT 100m out the blocks. That said, I am sure Rudisha was a low 21.xx 200m man at his peak. It takes a lot of specific training to maximize one's 100m potential.

Sub-11 FAT from blocks, absolutely not. Ditto 11-low.

Sorry.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Sub-11 FAT from blocks, absolutely not. Ditto 11-low.

Sorry.

I agree with you generally that most folks here way over estimate how fast sub 11 is, and that most distance runners are going under 12:5 or even 13. But Rudisha isn't a 1500m guy, he's a superb 400m-800m runner. And yes technique and training are required to really get going quickly. Lots of it. But the improvements the top guys make in their start comes down to tenths, and even hundredths of seconds. It's not the difference between 11 and sub10. It's 10.1 Vs 9.9.

You're essentially saying Rudisha ran 800m at virtually top speed. The world's greatest 400m can't go close to that for one lap, nevermind two laps. Hell most sprinters can't do that for half a lap.

I can't imagine many people ever running 45 400m without the potential to run sub 11 100m.

Why'd you apologize?

Said Aouita best possible chance of any human alive or dead... end of thread.

Reviving this awesome thread.

Maybe a prime Kipchoge could it?

He knocks out the Marathon, 10k, 5k, and 1500 in a relatively short amount of time (believe he has hit the A standard for all those at one point). 800 should be doable too.

He then completely stops all high mileage, starts lifting hardcore, gets Ryan Hall as his diet guru to gain some mass, and starts crushing the sprints. Daily getting out of the blocks training sets. I think he could have a shot at 400 and 200.