Bolt vs Bekele in a 600m

ukathleticscoach wrote:

So he can't run 24.5 after a 24.5 200m, but he can run 24.5 after 4,800m and it wasn't that slow. With his speed enurance he could easily do that especially as he can probably dip 24 anyway.Some of the Ethiopians and Kenyans Bekele is outspinting can do a 24 odd 200m easy

Why is everyone on here so polarised either Bekele and do 46 or faster or 51

Ridiculous once again its not possible he can do 52.68 and only 1.68 faster when fresh and in any case you don't know his fastest is 51 but all the avidence points to him having sub 50 pace

El G only beat him by .20 at the end of another 'slow' race & he's a hell of a lot faster than 49

I am disputing these claims of Bekele running 24s' IT NEVER HAPPENED.

When he ran that 52.6 lap, his fastest split was 12.5

What is so hard for you to understand? You have this fantasy that he is as fast as he is over 5000 and 10000 because he has this immaginary 48-49 second 400m pace. You are comparing him to runners that you know and projecting this onto him. He isn't that type of runner, his stregnth is his ability to run lots of laps at 60-64 seconds and then do a long sprint at the end. Look at the video of his 26.17, his last 200 is 26.0 he doesn't split sub any super fast 100's

I am disputing these claims of Bekele running 24s' IT NEVER HAPPENED.

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Again in Lausanne on 1 July 2003, Bekele recorded a 200 m segment during the last lap in 24 seconds and a 100 m section in 11.xx seconds to run a 52.63 final lap.

If you assume Bekele can only run a 50 flat quarter, you are delusional.

Bekele wins over 600, and isn't even a race at 800 meters.

earlier i posted that i looked at the source for this factoid and it's questionable, and i can't find confirmation on any reputable site

Well if it says so in Wikipedia, then it must be true.

Wow, no. You'r splits are loony, it's obvious that you've never been around real sprinting. If Bekele is 49 point and goes through in 50 point, he's not coming back in 25 point. Shit, he'd barely be able to make it 200m more at any speed.

Bekele has no chance of running 1:15, he's 1:17 at best with 49 point speed.

Bolt is a question mark but considering the nature of the event, long sprint (maybe just over that classification), he'd make still run at or under 1:15.

You people need to also remember that his amazing aerobic endurance will mean almost as little in the 600m as it does in the 400m.

THIS THREAD IS BIAS AS SHIT. Just a bunch of long distance runners with small penis syndrome.

All time 600m list:

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_600ok.htm

it's not a great indicator of how hard it is to reach certain marks as it's not run that much. I also think there are more 800 runners on there than 400 runners, since it's popular as a tune-up for 800 runners (and usually done in training rather than at a meet), though I do see Lee Evans on there. I bet Wariner could take down Gray's time.

This took a long time to find!

https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/bpence2/www/Bekele/Bekele_Splits.html

you could have found it in this thread

atletabanana wrote:

here's a page with his best splits

https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/bpence2/www/Bekele/Bekele_Splits.html

So he's done 52.28 at the end of a slow race. There's also a 24.0 split on there (last 200 of your 52.63 lap). I was annoyed that I couldn't track down any sources for these times, so I'm not ready to trust that last one (esp since it's only given to 10th of a second... means some random fan hand-timed it off a video...?)

wellnow wrote:

What is so hard for you to understand? You have this fantasy that he is as fast as he is over 5000 and 10000 because he has this immaginary 48-49 second 400m pace. You are comparing him to runners that you know and projecting this onto him. He isn't that type of runner, his stregnth is his ability to run lots of laps at 60-64 seconds and then do a long sprint at the end. Look at the video of his 26.17, his last 200 is 26.0 he doesn't split sub any super fast 100's

Why didnt he run his last 200m of his 26:17 under 26?

Because it was at the END of a 10K. Furthermore, it was a 10K PERSONAL BEST and WORLD RECORD. If you have a crazy fast kick at the end of your race, then it wasnt your absolute best effort.

And if Bekele has such aerobic capacity like everyone is saying, then why is his 10K so much slower than his 5k? That to me says that he's on the speed-side of the speed-endurance balance.

Well the 52.68 in a sub 13 race

My only point is that he can do about 49 for 400m not 51

Bolt is much to big and heavy now to run a good 600m.

thank you all for helping me answer this question. so is there consensus then that KB would win a 700?

How about who doesn't think he'll win a 700?

Come on- its only 100 m more. some of you pick UB winning by 3 seconds- don't you think he could carry that to 700?

ahab who did you winning in the 600m and what times do you have them doing?

600m could conceivably go either way, but that is the cut off point with the wheels coming off Bolt in the 700m

Well, ukathletics coach, thanks for asking. I really appreciated the time breakdowns from you and others and as you can see there is a variety of times that are possible for both. The thread has made for some interesting reading. Even my wife was reading it a couple days ago and she's not a running fan. So I've always loved KB as a runner and as a competitor. And you know, Bolt is a cool dude too. He made sprinting interesting again, especially for distance runners.

I think I'm the ony one in 177 posts to call it this way: they tie.

Thats why I picked 600 to start the debate.

That seems to be the maximum distance they may be competitive with each other. Seems like everyone agrees that 700 is a different race and Bekele would more than likely win 700 despite how insignificant the increase in distance seems (to the distance runners).

Maybe they tie at 675. or 635. some where in the 600 to 700 range is where they break even. My guess is around 600 because I probably think KB is a little more of a stud than I should. But arguing that the guy is not a stud is pretty hard to do.

The thing that really answered the question for me indirectly is the website about Coe vs. Johnson that PRIMEtime posted

http://speedendurance.com/2009/01/06/what-is-speed-reserve-part-2-training-methods/

This answers the question but with two other studdly runners. even more so than the nick simmonds vs. the 400 dude.

Nevertheless- we will never know. Unless one of you have a few million to burn to set it up.

Bekele never ran 200m in 24 and 100 in 11xx, in Lausanne, it never happened. And what is 11xx anyway but a statement of stupididity and incompetence.

Bekele never ran 200m in 24 and 100 in 11xx, in Lausanne, it never happened. And what is 11xx anyway but a statement of stupididity and incompetence.

You guys don't understand how Bekele races he can add a super fast sprint (by his standards)at the end of a race, because that is what he practices. But he isn't as fast as you imagine.

'I think I'm the ony one in 177 posts to call it this way: they tie.'

Yes, I like that