Orchard has taken athletes no one ever heard of to the next level in the Valley. Dash athletes & parents left Dash to go to Orchard because of her results and treatment of her athletes. Fact check. She raised the sprinting bar in Idaho.
CDA Races Woodbridge and Hole in the Wall so their athletes get visibility for recruitment.
Max & Zach CS are at Wake Forest because they ran at Woodbridge. Granted, they both peaked at Woodbridge and would never post a performance like that the rest of the season but it paid off bigtime.
On the contrary, Kade Brownell of Mt Spokane who raced in less visible events and posts better PR's in Track than anyone on CDA and beat both of the Cervi Skinners at NXR was offered less scholarship opportunities. He will attend WSU in the fall on a partial scholarship.
CDA Varsity is currently at Wake Forest as we speak at a running camp.
CDA Races Woodbridge and Hole in the Wall so their athletes get visibility for recruitment.
Max & Zach CS are at Wake Forest because they ran at Woodbridge. Granted, they both peaked at Woodbridge and would never post a performance like that the rest of the season but it paid off bigtime.
On the contrary, Kade Brownell of Mt Spokane who raced in less visible events and posts better PR's in Track than anyone on CDA and beat both of the Cervi Skinners at NXR was offered less scholarship opportunities. He will attend WSU in the fall on a partial scholarship.
CDA Varsity is currently at Wake Forest as we speak at a running camp.
They invest in their runners.
On the question of it is selfish to take fast kids to big meets, I think it’s equally selfish to potentially rob kids of opportunities in the future because you believe that the entire team has to go to everything together. The roster spots for D1 teams are getting more competitive. Holding onto that believe is going to end up negatively impacting the runners.
2A - Victory Charter 1-2-3?? Rogers, Stockett, Hust
6A team battle will be great! Sleeper teams could be Mt View, Centennial, Eagle, and Capital. With Timberline and Rocky girls both finishing in the top 3 last year at NXR, and Boise being right on par with them, the competition should be fierce!
On the question of it is selfish to take fast kids to big meets, I think it’s equally selfish to potentially rob kids of opportunities in the future because you believe that the entire team has to go to everything together. The roster spots for D1 teams are getting more competitive. Holding onto that believe is going to end up negatively impacting the runners.
I agree with your point on principle, since you're clearly talking about RM.
That being said, we've had alleged Rocky kids and parents posting on here over the years, and I recall that they've defended their coaches.
If something looks harmful from the outside, but is what the kids and parents want or at the least, what they agree too, then is it truly harmful?
After all, if I eat a banana before every race, and enjoy it and find benefit from it, but everyone tells me it's going to hurt my effort that day, is everyone else right? Am I really being harmed by eating the banana, or is that harm being construed by outsiders who don't have the whole picture?
On the question of it is selfish to take fast kids to big meets, I think it’s equally selfish to potentially rob kids of opportunities in the future because you believe that the entire team has to go to everything together. The roster spots for D1 teams are getting more competitive. Holding onto that believe is going to end up negatively impacting the runners.
I agree with your point on principle, since you're clearly talking about RM.
That being said, we've had alleged Rocky kids and parents posting on here over the years, and I recall that they've defended their coaches.
If something looks harmful from the outside, but is what the kids and parents want or at the least, what they agree too, then is it truly harmful?
After all, if I eat a banana before every race, and enjoy it and find benefit from it, but everyone tells me it's going to hurt my effort that day, is everyone else right? Am I really being harmed by eating the banana, or is that harm being construed by outsiders who don't have the whole picture?
Food for thought.
I know it’s a question that can’t be answered, but how many are varsity kids and how many are JV kids and parents who love it because it allows their kid to experience all of the same things? I do think kids and parents are also generally unaware of how difficult it is getting for recruiting and would probably care a lot more if they knew.
Looking at Rocky’s coaches listed on athletic.net, they have 3 that ran at the Division 1 level (plus Howard’s wife who is surely around the program a little bit still). So they probably have a decent pulse on recruiting. Programs don’t have to all do things the same way, that’s the beauty of a sport like XC.
Looking at Rocky’s coaches listed on athletic.net, they have 3 that ran at the Division 1 level (plus Howard’s wife who is surely around the program a little bit still). So they probably have a decent pulse on recruiting. Programs don’t have to all do things the same way, that’s the beauty of a sport like XC.
The House settlement has changed recruiting a ton in the last 24 months.
To keep this as short as possible and without getting into all the indepth reasons why what you say is absurd:
National caliber runners don't need to go to Woodbridge over a meet like Clovis in order to get noticed by colleges. Yes, it helps some runners, but not runners like Max & Zach and not going to Woodbridge for national runners like Kade Brownell is not going to stop him from getting offers.
Thinking that you have all the information you seem to think you have is ridiculous. Thinking that a multi-time Footlocker qualifier and runs under 4:10 as a junior isn't getting offers from around the country is ridiculous. And possibly above all, thinking that you need to go out of your way to impress coaches that apparently aren't doing their job by only paying attention to what happens at Woodbridge and not the rest of the season or the rest of an athlete's resume would be a good idea is incredibly ridiculous. You don't get far in life trying to seek out mentorship of someone who is too lazy to bother doing their job.
Going to Woodbridge may have helped someone like e.g. Jacob King from CDA's 2023 squad, who wasn't fast enough to qualify for a national meet individually or finish towards the front of a national meet and didn't have the track results to back that up, but it wouldn't have really mattered to someone like Zach and Max... but again, going to Clovis would have accomplished much of the same.
Watchout has been creating predictions and following NW running since most of the posters in this thread were in diapers. He knows what he is talking about
Yay, I guess I'm oblivious. Just happen to know that CS twins booked four recruiting visit invites that came in the week after Max broke the previous national 3mi HS record, and Zach also broke 14 at WB.
So it appears he doesn't have all the information all of the time as it very much DID help the CS boys.
6A team battle will be great! Sleeper teams could be Mt View, Centennial, Eagle, and Capital. With Timberline and Rocky girls both finishing in the top 3 last year at NXR, and Boise being right on par with them, the competition should be fierce!
The top 8th grade girls in xc in 2024 went to Lowell Scott, Victory, Star, Victory, Victory, Heritage, Heritage, Eagle, Victory, and Heritage in that order.
I believe that means that the high schools those girls will go to are Centennial, MV, Owyhee, MV, MV, RM, RM, Eagle, MV, and RM. RM, Timberline and Boise will all be very good of course, so the question is what do Eagle, Centennial, Capital, and MV return/get?
Capital: Returns: 5:16 (13th at state cross), 5:22 (48th at state cross), 5:31 (65th at state cross), 5:37 (23rd at state cross), 5:47 (61st at state cross) They don't appear to be getting any impact freshmen
Centennial: Returns: 5:06 (had a bad day at state cross, clearly much better), 5:26 (didn't qualify), 5:49, 5:52, 5:53 They are adding a 5:26 girl.
Eagle: Returns: 5:18 (7th at state cross), 5:26 (33rd at state cross), 5:26 (didn't run at state cross), 5:29 (53rd at state cross), 5:56 (34th at state cross) They could be adding a girl that has run 5:30 that has never run cross country before, and should be adding back in a girl that ran 5:22 in 2024.
Mountain View: Returns: 5:12 (38th at state cross but 9th in 3200m), 5:21 (17th at state cross but 5th in 3200m), 5:21 (37th at state cross), 5:37 (40th at state cross), 5:57 (63rd at state cross) They are adding what appears to be a huge group of potential impact girls.
I would guess that next group of girls is Mountain View, Eagle, Capital, Centennial in that order. I'm pretty sure the district will qualify 6 girls teams instead of 7. Owyhee and Borah could also make it very interesting.
Yay, I guess I'm oblivious. Just happen to know that CS twins booked four recruiting visit invites that came in the week after Max broke the previous national 3mi HS record, and Zach also broke 14 at WB.
So it appears he doesn't have all the information all of the time as it very much DID help the CS boys.
Again, I'll ask:
Do you think they wouldn't have gotten similar opportunities if they had run Clovis (another large and extremely elite invitational that we already compared earlier in this thread) instead of Woodbridge? With the context of Max already running 4:11/9:02 and finishing #63 at NXN as a junior and then later that senior XC season finishing #37 at NXN; and Zach running 4:12/9:12 as a junior though not quite at Max's level in national caliber XC races.
They were national caliber runners before they ever set foot on the Woodbridge course. Their resumes were enough that they should have garnered the attention of D1 colleges going into their senior season. Racing at Woodbridge rather than Clovis wouldn't have made a difference if the college coaches they are trying to get scholarships from have any amount of competence.
I'd be willing to bet that 99% of D1 scholarships don't go to kids that ran at Woodbridge. That's not because Woodbridge isn't a large and elite meet, it obviously is, but because there are a ton of great athletes from around the nation that don't reside in California and race in California meets, and those other athletes don't need to race at Woodbridge specifically to get noticed. Why do you think Northwest runners need to? And why try to argue (as the other poster did) that a similarly talented athlete (Brownell, who ran 4:09/9:04 as a junior and competed at Footlocker Nationals multiple times) supposedly didn't get the same kind of offers because he wasn't at Woodbridge?
Run good track times as a junior, make it to national XC meets, and you should be on the radar of collegiate coaches.
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Yay, I guess I'm oblivious. Just happen to know that CS twins booked four recruiting visit invites that came in the week after Max broke the previous national 3mi HS record, and Zach also broke 14 at WB.
So it appears he doesn't have all the information all of the time as it very much DID help the CS boys.
Again, I'll ask:
Do you think they wouldn't have gotten similar opportunities if they had run Clovis (another large and extremely elite invitational that we already compared earlier in this thread) instead of Woodbridge? With the context of Max already running 4:11/9:02 and finishing #63 at NXN as a junior and then later that senior XC season finishing #37 at NXN; and Zach running 4:12/9:12 as a junior though not quite at Max's level in national caliber XC races.
They were national caliber runners before they ever set foot on the Woodbridge course. Their resumes were enough that they should have garnered the attention of D1 colleges going into their senior season. Racing at Woodbridge rather than Clovis wouldn't have made a difference if the college coaches they are trying to get scholarships from have any amount of competence.
I'd be willing to bet that 99% of D1 scholarships don't go to kids that ran at Woodbridge. That's not because Woodbridge isn't a large and elite meet, it obviously is, but because there are a ton of great athletes from around the nation that don't reside in California and race in California meets, and those other athletes don't need to race at Woodbridge specifically to get noticed. Why do you think Northwest runners need to? And why try to argue (as the other poster did) that a similarly talented athlete (Brownell, who ran 4:09/9:04 as a junior and competed at Footlocker Nationals multiple times) supposedly didn't get the same kind of offers because he wasn't at Woodbridge?
Run good track times as a junior, make it to national XC meets, and you should be on the radar of collegiate coaches.
Of course more than 1% of scholarships don’t go to kids that race at one meet. I’m aware that you’re trying to quantify how sure you are, but a little bit of critical thinking makes you realize it’s not saying much.
CDA Races Woodbridge and Hole in the Wall so their athletes get visibility for recruitment.
Max & Zach CS are at Wake Forest because they ran at Woodbridge. Granted, they both peaked at Woodbridge and would never post a performance like that the rest of the season but it paid off bigtime.
On the contrary, Kade Brownell of Mt Spokane who raced in less visible events and posts better PR's in Track than anyone on CDA and beat both of the Cervi Skinners at NXR was offered less scholarship opportunities. He will attend WSU in the fall on a partial scholarship.
CDA Varsity is currently at Wake Forest as we speak at a running camp.
They invest in their runners.
If Max and Zach had peaked for state/NXN they would have got plenty of exposure. Emery is afraid of looking slow mid season.
CDA Races Woodbridge and Hole in the Wall so their athletes get visibility for recruitment.
Max & Zach CS are at Wake Forest because they ran at Woodbridge. Granted, they both peaked at Woodbridge and would never post a performance like that the rest of the season but it paid off bigtime.
On the contrary, Kade Brownell of Mt Spokane who raced in less visible events and posts better PR's in Track than anyone on CDA and beat both of the Cervi Skinners at NXR was offered less scholarship opportunities. He will attend WSU in the fall on a partial scholarship.
CDA Varsity is currently at Wake Forest as we speak at a running camp.
They invest in their runners.
If Max and Zach had peaked for state/NXN they would have got plenty of exposure. Emery is afraid of looking slow mid season.
Yet they still beat Rocky easily. The score was closer than the actual race was, since Cody Lucas would have had to run 11 seconds faster to get a point, Hyrum Tuft would have had to run 9 seconds faster, Goggins barely missed a point, and Thomas was also 9 seconds out of picking up a single point. Even if Kurtz ran 10 seconds faster, he would have only picked up 5 net points but he also would add 2 points to CDA's score.
If the entire Rocky team ran 10 seconds faster per guy, they would have lost on the tiebreaker to CDA. That's not even counting NXR, where CDA kicked in Rocky's teeth and actually earned the berth to compete at nationals for a second year in a row.
Saying that they didn't run good at state is crazy as they put 6 boys under 16:00, and the boys that apparently didn't run great ran 14:57 and 15:08.