Lots of doubters here...could it be that it's a short course? Also, Frank Meza cheated at the LA marathon...is it possible this guy also cut the course? Marathon Investigations should look into this.
His Strava shows 26.35. Quick sampling of other shows between 26.32 and 26.45, which sounds about right for a marathon.
Lots of doubters here...could it be that it's a short course? Also, Frank Meza cheated at the LA marathon...is it possible this guy also cut the course? Marathon Investigations should look into this.
Uh...there was a camera on him in the lead pack for the entire race. I watched it on YouTube later that day. If he cut the course, so did all of the other top few finishers.
Don't call it criticism, just some observations: somebody needs to reign this kid in. He needs to take his 10k PR down before trying another marathon. If he can go 27 low a few times, he should be able to run at least 2:05, maybe 2:04 or faster. Also, he looks a little 'flat' while running... Fix his form, there's another minute off the marathon.
great, now we have the "experts" weighing in. why don't you contact him on strava or something and offer your coaching services that will, naturally, lead him to worldwide acclaim.
I'm not saying I know what's best for him
I don't even know what the best training for me is, much less a super talented marathoner who (I think we can mostly all agree) can improve his training in some way
i said what i said but not anything more, so if you want to discuss what I said (he can run 2:03-2:05, he needs to run a faster 10k, he could learn more efficient running mechanics) then we can do that. Please don't assume I mean what I don;t.
great, now we have the "experts" weighing in. why don't you contact him on strava or something and offer your coaching services that will, naturally, lead him to worldwide acclaim.
I'm not saying I know what's best for him
I don't even know what the best training for me is, much less a super talented marathoner who (I think we can mostly all agree) can improve his training in some way
i said what i said but not anything more, so if you want to discuss what I said (he can run 2:03-2:05, he needs to run a faster 10k, he could learn more efficient running mechanics) then we can do that. Please don't assume I mean what I don;t.
To be clear - he does not need to run a faster 10k.
He may, however, need to have the ability to run a faster 10k. But he doesn't need to fall into the trap of the "indicator" 10k. Seems silly, but you'd be suprised how many think that way (including maybe you?)
Someone's gotta interview him and ask him about his training. Seems like almost no workouts and uncoached?
Dude's a beast.
I'm definitely going to reach out about this. A lot of his runs in Bozeman do appear to be in the snow/cold and at altitude. But I don't understand how his training equates to a 2:07 marathon unless there are workouts that he hasn't posted.
Someone's gotta interview him and ask him about his training. Seems like almost no workouts and uncoached?
Dude's a beast.
I'm definitely going to reach out about this. A lot of his runs in Bozeman do appear to be in the snow/cold and at altitude. But I don't understand how his training equates to a 2:07 marathon unless there are workouts that he hasn't posted.
You are correct in saying that running a 10k in x isn't necessary for the marathon as long as you are able to run a 10k in x. I realized this after my first post, before the others.
I personally believe he needs to be able to run a faster 10k. After doing a bit of research, however, this hypothesis has almost zero backing. according to alltime-athletics, a 2:07:56 marathon performance ties for the 1700th fastest ever run. (we must note that there are many more professional 10ks run per year than marathons) The 1700th fastest 10000m ever run is a three way tie at 27:43.30. Richtman's 10k PR comes from a cross country race- 28:0x. Since 10ks are more common than marathons and Richtman is probably better at the marathon than 10k, my theory says that the 1700th fastest 10000m should be faster than it is. So it looks like I;m wrong. By the way, a 2:04:59 marathon is the 211th fastest time ever run, and the 211th fastest 10000m is 27:03 .... these numbers don't correlate, but at least they are numbers.
tl;dr - the marathon is probably Richtman's best event, and to run a faster marathon he must inevitably be more fit, which does not necessarily mean he needs to run a 10k so-many seconds faster. I was incorrect.
Don't call it criticism, just some observations: somebody needs to reign this kid in. He needs to take his 10k PR down before trying another marathon. If he can go 27 low a few times, he should be able to run at least 2:05, maybe 2:04 or faster. Also, he looks a little 'flat' while running... Fix his form, there's another minute off the marathon.
This is perhaps the most absurd post I've ever seen on LR. Would love to see your coaching credentials or personal accomplishments, Coach.
I'd say Richtman and his coach appear to know exactly what works for him. Now he just needs to keep stacking those quality, consistent, injury free miles. Absolutely amazing two races by this kid. Keep it up, Matt!
Someone's gotta interview him and ask him about his training. Seems like almost no workouts and uncoached?
Dude's a beast.
I'm definitely going to reach out about this. A lot of his runs in Bozeman do appear to be in the snow/cold and at altitude. But I don't understand how his training equates to a 2:07 marathon unless there are workouts that he hasn't posted.
Now we're talking!! So the 13:47/28:21 guy who is barely training harder than a decent collegiate is just "ideally suited" for the marathon and goes and runs one of the top marks in American history. Only guys faster were: Khannouchi, Rupp, Hall, Ritz, Mantz. 5 of the greatest Americans to EVER run. And a guy no one heard of until yesterday, who is doing mostly non-notable training, is legitimately on that list???
I'm definitely going to reach out about this. A lot of his runs in Bozeman do appear to be in the snow/cold and at altitude. But I don't understand how his training equates to a 2:07 marathon unless there are workouts that he hasn't posted.
Now we're talking!! So the 13:47/28:21 guy who is barely training harder than a decent collegiate is just "ideally suited" for the marathon and goes and runs one of the top marks in American history. Only guys faster were: Khannouchi, Rupp, Hall, Ritz, Mantz. 5 of the greatest Americans to EVER run. And a guy no one heard of until yesterday, who is doing mostly non-notable training, is legitimately on that list???
great, now we have the "experts" weighing in. why don't you contact him on strava or something and offer your coaching services that will, naturally, lead him to worldwide acclaim.
I'm not saying I know what's best for him
I don't even know what the best training for me is, much less a super talented marathoner who (I think we can mostly all agree) can improve his training in some way
i said what i said but not anything more, so if you want to discuss what I said (he can run 2:03-2:05, he needs to run a faster 10k, he could learn more efficient running mechanics) then we can do that. Please don't assume I mean what I don;t.
The fact that you cited his "running mechanics" alone disqualifies you from opining.
And he doesn't need to run a faster 10k. He doesn't necessarily need to run another 10k, period, if he's this good a marathoning. There's a reason we have different race distances in this sport: they measure different kinds of ability, subtle though these can be within a single event range.
Someone's gotta interview him and ask him about his training. Seems like almost no workouts and uncoached?
Dude's a beast.
I'm definitely going to reach out about this. A lot of his runs in Bozeman do appear to be in the snow/cold and at altitude. But I don't understand how his training equates to a 2:07 marathon unless there are workouts that he hasn't posted.
From my understanding he does a lot of treadmill workout that are not reported on strava
Not in the same league as Clayton Young talent wise?? He just ran a faster marathon than Young has ever ran on a much harder course. Also he’s only 25.
I don’t think he is doping. I think he is just suited for the marathon and has a good head on his shoulders. Remember if he were in 1980 footwear maybe he runs just under 2:11 or so. I don’t mean to sell him short, but he doesn’t raise any red flags for me. He is a hero to many and he can do this clean.
A 2:07 guy should also be suited to run faster than 28:21 and 13:47. Sorry, but these things don't add up. Look at the damn list of people he's now next to. Most of them ran those times in super shoes. Stop just saying things.
Some of you just aren’t very bright. There have always been outliers in this area. Beardsley probably couldn’t run faster than 13:47 and 28:21 and he would be running 2:06 or 2:07 in super shoes. Benji Durden is another example of a guy who probably would have similar 5 and 10 times but today would be a 2:07 runner in these shoes. Anyone could be doping but at a certain level you just appear to be ignorant.