You are ridiculous. There have been Grand Slam tennis champions of 17. No one talked of them as being "a child". We are also discussing these issues on a sports site. No one has been sued or prosecuted for doing so.
I know that in my own country there are many youngsters who are caught doping for sports - especially in rugby and league. It isn't treated as a criminal offence - because it isn't - but as an antidoping issue and these youngsters know how to get drugs from their peers, local gyms and the internet. They want to succeed. We have a population that is a fraction of yours. I don't think you will be too different.
Armstronglivs has far higher expectations of British high schools than our system provides. They barely provide PE any more, never mind PEDs!
On the other hand, they don't follow the American system, where junior athletes are cooked by high pressure, high expectations, over-racing and over-training by the time they're [insert whatever age Tuohy and Cain were when they last raced well], and we don't have grown men obsessing over teenage girls at university.
What we do have is very good middle distance coaching and a well balanced system for producing young athletes which puts just the right amount of pressure on them, while still keeping the sport fun.
So georgearmstronglight hasn't a ****** clue. He doesn't know the athlete or her set up, doesn't know the school, doesn't know the club or coach, doesn't know where England is but once tried a meat and potato pie containing contaminated meat. But he's seen a few numbers on a page and concludes she's possibly been doping since she was 14 and will probably break the senior world record next year. Come on Max. Sorted.
Sounds like someone's mastered the art of online passive aggression. It's much easier to throw shade than to back up accusations with evidence.
So georgearmstronglight hasn't a ****** clue. He doesn't know the athlete or her set up, doesn't know the school, doesn't know the club or coach, doesn't know where England is but once tried a meat and potato pie containing contaminated meat. But he's seen a few numbers on a page and concludes she's possibly been doping since she was 14 and will probably break the senior world record next year. Come on Max. Sorted.
Sounds like someone's mastered the art of online passive aggression. It's much easier to throw shade than to back up accusations with evidence.
You aren't here very often then, as there have been countless threads over the years discussing doping amongst athletes.
You are ridiculous. There have been Grand Slam tennis champions of 17. No one talked of them as being "a child". We are also discussing these issues on a sports site. No one has been sued or prosecuted for doing so.
I know that in my own country there are many youngsters who are caught doping for sports - especially in rugby and league. It isn't treated as a criminal offence - because it isn't - but as an antidoping issue and these youngsters know how to get drugs from their peers, local gyms and the internet. They want to succeed. We have a population that is a fraction of yours. I don't think you will be too different.
I don't see what incentive an athlete like this would have to dope.
She's a middle class Brit who was already all-time number one in two events as an under 17. She was already on the fringes of world class and unforeseen issues aside, had every chance of having a very successful and lucrative career in the sport.
Regardless of whether she has the mentality to cheat or not, there still needs to be a good reason to do so, and I simply can't see it. If was that way inclined, you would imagine she would wait until the next Olympic cycle rolls around if her career had stagnated.
It's a shame that so many of these threads descend into predictable and puerile back-and-forths.
So, to get back to the topic in hand here, I'm struggling to recall a performance of this calibre from someone of this age in any event, from any country, man or woman, in the very many years (40ish) that I've been following the sport. There are the obvious ones .... Bolt, Kiplimo etc, and that is high praise indeed.
By every metric this was an absolutely exceptional run, and I'm very excited to see what she does next. On that evidence, 1.56 this year looks perfectly achievable
It's a shame that so many of these threads descend into predictable and puerile back-and-forths.
So, to get back to the topic in hand here, I'm struggling to recall a performance of this calibre from someone of this age in any event, from any country, man or woman, in the very many years (40ish) that I've been following the sport. There are the obvious ones .... Bolt, Kiplimo etc, and that is high praise indeed.
By every metric this was an absolutely exceptional run, and I'm very excited to see what she does next. On that evidence, 1.56 this year looks perfectly achievable
This is definitely a unique talent. And if anyone wants to bring supershoes into this, remember they have hardly affected 800m performances (if at all).
This girl has either had the performance of a lifetime or, hopefully, she will turn into one of those incredible talents that we don't see very often. Like Coe, Rudisha, Snell, El Guerrouj, Ryun
I will certainly be following her progress from now on.
It's a shame that so many of these threads descend into predictable and puerile back-and-forths.
So, to get back to the topic in hand here, I'm struggling to recall a performance of this calibre from someone of this age in any event, from any country, man or woman, in the very many years (40ish) that I've been following the sport.
I don't want to jinx young Pheobe, but the similarity to Max Burgin is almost erie.
Max Burgin ran 4.45 seconds short of the world record weeks after his 17th birthday.
Pheobe Gill ran 4.58 seconds short of the world record weeks after her 17th birthday.
And of course, both are British :D
I know you'll all be 'fact checking' this in the hope you can call me a liar again.
It's a shame that so many of these threads descend into predictable and puerile back-and-forths.
So, to get back to the topic in hand here, I'm struggling to recall a performance of this calibre from someone of this age in any event, from any country, man or woman, in the very many years (40ish) that I've been following the sport.
I don't want to jinx young Pheobe, but the similarity to Max Burgin is almost erie.
Max Burgin ran 4.45 seconds short of the world record weeks after his 17th birthday.
Pheobe Gill ran 4.58 seconds short of the world record weeks after her 17th birthday.
And of course, both are British :D
I know you'll all be 'fact checking' this in the hope you can call me a liar again.
I fact-checked and you are lying. Her name is not Pheobe!
I made almost the same improvement at almost the same age and under similar circumstances. (Albeit, I am a male.) A lot of times your big break through comes when you turn the brain off and simply push as hard as you can for long as you can. - It does not always work out, but you have to try it because sometimes it does workout.
It's a shame that so many of these threads descend into predictable and puerile back-and-forths.
So, to get back to the topic in hand here, I'm struggling to recall a performance of this calibre from someone of this age in any event, from any country, man or woman, in the very many years (40ish) that I've been following the sport. There are the obvious ones .... Bolt, Kiplimo etc, and that is high praise indeed.
By every metric this was an absolutely exceptional run, and I'm very excited to see what she does next. On that evidence, 1.56 this year looks perfectly achievable
There are plenty of performances like this or even much better. Off the top of my head burgins 1:45 a few years back. Knightons 19.8. Cain running 4:04. myers running 3:34. Jacob running 3:31. That just the last 10 years or so and I am sure I missing a bunch. Even more if you look at the “17” year old Kenya’s/Ethiopians running 12:58.
it is a really good performance but we have seen it before. We will see if she has another 1-3s in her to move from making a team to being a medal contender over the next half dozen years
A pure 800m runner as she’s run 55.0/4:05 in the run-up. Though 4:05 also points to good strength. Probably a tough break to try and make a stacked British 800m team with 2 really good runners in place. If she gets 3rd, they better not pick Boffey over her or something.
Why do you say this? Is it not like USAs where top 3 are automatically in?
It's a shame that so many of these threads descend into predictable and puerile back-and-forths.
So, to get back to the topic in hand here, I'm struggling to recall a performance of this calibre from someone of this age in any event, from any country, man or woman, in the very many years (40ish) that I've been following the sport. There are the obvious ones .... Bolt, Kiplimo etc, and that is high praise indeed.
By every metric this was an absolutely exceptional run, and I'm very excited to see what she does next. On that evidence, 1.56 this year looks perfectly achievable
Slow down on the 1:56; all of the circumstances under which she ran this race suggest a realistic goal for 2024 will be to simply repeat this race. GB knows better than most countries about fragility of female middle distance phenoms. - With that said, she looks like an athlete and her progression in multiple events. I would love to see her progress with realistic expectations.
There are plenty of performances like this or even much better. Off the top of my head burgins 1:45 a few years back. Knightons 19.8. Cain running 4:04. myers running 3:34. Jacob running 3:31.
Max Burgins 1:45.36 and Mary Cains 4:04.62 are not nearly as good. Cains 1:59.51 was probably her most impressive result as a 17 year old.
Myers I'd say was at about the same level.
Jakob and Knighton's performances were certainly better. Although in the latter case perhaps comparing sprints to middle distances isn't quite like-for-like.
It will be very interesting to see what Gill does next. I hope she doesn't let the increased level of attention and scrutiny affect her too much.
