You are missing the part where 6 million Jews were genocided. Only around 7 million Jews live in Israel today. The world supported the relocation of the Jewish diaspora to Israel because of this event. Less than .1% of the population of Germany is Jewish today.
The world supported the relocation so they didn’t have to deal with the problem of anti-semitism in Europe. Like… “here, we’ll give you this land, go away and leave us alone. Doesn’t matter if someone else is already living there.”
and now you have a bunch of American kids flying over there as tourists every year on “birthright” while the Palestinians who were actually born there live as second class citizens. Of course, if you point out how messed up this is, you’re a bad person!
Mass Extermination campaigns against Jews are the norm for Europe. 5,000 years of pogroms by the Catholic Church, England Royal family, etc.
Israel is a tiny country and the only democracy in the Middle East. Why can’t the haters live somewhere else.
The Jews are the indigenous people to Palestine. They have been there for thousands of years. It would be like the Cherokees (trail of tears) taking back control of America.
Islam hates hates hates Judaism. This is a religious war. The Muslims objective is genocide of Jews.
The world supported the relocation so they didn’t have to deal with the problem of anti-semitism in Europe. Like… “here, we’ll give you this land, go away and leave us alone. Doesn’t matter if someone else is already living there.”
and now you have a bunch of American kids flying over there as tourists every year on “birthright” while the Palestinians who were actually born there live as second class citizens. Of course, if you point out how messed up this is, you’re a bad person!
Mass Extermination campaigns against Jews are the norm for Europe. 5,000 years of pogroms by the Catholic Church, England Royal family, etc.
How could you possibly know what was going on in Europe 5,000 or 3,000 years ago? The Catholic Church did not exist 2,000 years ago.
The fact that the Jews had the Holocaust should make them aware that no man should be treated as un Untermensch.
And yet that is what they do.
For clarity, what Hamas has done is barbaric, but when this conflict is over, many more Palestinian civilians will have died than Israeli civilians.
This is a fight of a terrorist organization against a state, but when it comes down to it, that state has the same absence of moral values as the terrorist organization.
Why do leftists have such an obsession about this particular group of people?
They’re not even close to being the most downtrodden on the planet.
Kenya has a life expectancy more than 10 years less than Gaza but all you care about is their mileage, interval sessions and whether they use EPO.
Maybe because the American taxpayer is paying for the American made weapons that are genociding the Palestinians. Maybe because we don't like the idea that the US government is occupied by a tiny foreign nation far away
Yup, Israel has received the most American aid since WW2, getting 3 billion a year for many years, close to 150 billion in total (in today's dollars much much more).
All this for such a tiny country and population that is highly educated and militarily mobilized. Somehow America has to balance this Israeli support with Arab diplomacy and and now donations to Ukraine have taken center stage. It's not easy being the worlds leader in democracy.
Israel is a tiny country and the only democracy in the Middle East. Why can’t the haters live somewhere else.
The Jews are the indigenous people to Palestine. They have been there for thousands of years. It would be like the Cherokees (trail of tears) taking back control of America.
Islam hates hates hates Judaism. This is a religious war. The Muslims objective is genocide of Jews.
Not quite, both ethnic Jews and Palestinians are indigenous to the area having both descended from Canaanites who populated the middle east, including modern Palestine. This is somewhat different than the situation with colonizing Europeans displacing indigenous Americans into relatively small reservation states. Also it's worth noting that Palestine was really the first Arab country to have forms of democracy and legislature through early 2000s. It was progressive, things were looking up, but succumbed to extremism and power grabs.
You would think both Jews and Arabs could have peacefully created two separate nations in the area with Jerusalem being a shared DMZ for religious reasons (this was proposed many times). There was barely more than a million people in the 1940s so what's the big deal, the Greeks and Turks exchanged 1.6million people in the 1920s back to their putative homelands.
However the Palestinian people were backstabbed by the British/French who reneged on deals promising them nation status for helping to oust the Ottomans in WW1, and arguably backstabbed again by the British with the Balfour debacle and ill-planned Zionist movement (not suggesting Zionism was wrong, just that was poorly executed without regard to the Palestinians). Ironically the Palestinian people would have had far more land today if their leaders agreed to any of the previous and numerous British and UN proposals since 1948, so in another sense the Palestinian people were let down most of all by their leaders. To be fair to those leaders, the various British/UN proposals awarded about 60-90% of the best and arable land to the Zionists, even though the Palestinians outnumbered them 2:1 in 1947 (10:1 after WW1).
btw, anyone can convert to Judaism, whether they are white, black or Innuit, doesn't matter. If you have a Jewish mother you are automatically Jewish, regardless of whether you/your mother practice religion. In other words, being a Jew need not be a race or ethnicity, though through a historical lens it is often viewed as such.
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Am I understanding this correctly? Israel exists because people from all over the world simply moved to a place that was already inhabited and said "this land is ours now"?
Shocking that this created conflict!
Israel’s sense of entitlement to land that is by any objective measure not theirs reminds me of legacy admissions.
Am I understanding this correctly? Israel exists because people from all over the world simply moved to a place that was already inhabited and said "this land is ours now"?
Shocking that this created conflict!
You know this is literally the story of every nation in existence right? Are we going make everyone give back the land they now inhabit and move back to their ethnic homeland. How far are we going back in time? 100 year, a 1000? What happens when it's diputed who the land really belonged to historically.
You can agree or disagree with how Isreal was founded as a Jewish state. But Palestine lost a war and is a country that has been offered terms of surrender and their own state multiple times and refused. The sad truth is that in many of the Arab states they just flat out hate Jews and think Isreal has no right to exist.
The other total lack of historical understanding many seem to have is they think things would be so much better in the Middle East without Isreal. The Middle East has been a chaotic and violent place for centuries, whether a Jewish state existed or not. Although some, not all, of the Arab states have a common hatred of Isreal at the moment these are allies of convenience. Pull Isreal out of the middle east and they would immediately be at each other's throats just like they have been throughout history.
Am I understanding this correctly? Israel exists because people from all over the world simply moved to a place that was already inhabited and said "this land is ours now"?
Shocking that this created conflict!
You can agree or disagree with how Isreal was founded as a Jewish state. But Palestine lost a war and is a country that has been offered terms of surrender and their own state multiple times and refused. The sad truth is that in many of the Arab states they just flat out hate Jews and think Isreal has no right to exist.
How do you explain that USA is the only big country that supported Israel with military backups and vetos? Don't you think you are isolated and there is something "privileged " playing in the background?
There was no country in the history that claimed "earth appartenance" for more than 100 years except the Zionist that suffocate the American economy with their total contrôle on it. (in their cases they are claiming lands that belonged 2000 years ago).
And why the Zionist tried several regions to exode (one of them was North Africa) before opting for Palestine?
When Israel was negotiating with the Palestinian Authorities to create agreements and worked to get a deal with were a Palestinian state would be established, Hamas committed bombings in Israel to derail the process. they reject the idea of negotiations.
they are more interested in creating an Islamic state on all the land and are good with long term conflict.
The interest in a deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia might have been a reason for the timing of the Hamas attack. They wanted to derail it.
Israel as we see it today needed the Nazi’s as their teachers. They noted Nazi cruelness and bloodlust and mimicked it.
The Palestinians needed Israel to take control of the West Bank and Gaza to rejuvenate the idea of a Palestinian state. If Jordan still controlled the West Bank and Egypt controlled Gaza, there would not be talk of establishing a Palestinian state.
I am in favor of establishing a Palestinian state. Jordan certainly wants a Palestinian state now. They don’t want all the Palestinians now.
Jews have continuously lived in that area for thousands of years. Even if you completely discount historicity of the bible, there's no denying anthropological and archeological evidence that Jews and their ancestors are indigenous to the area.
^ Idiot: MIZRAHI JEWS (Arabic) are indigenous to the area. WHITE JEWS (Ashkenazi) are indigenous to northern Europe from Germany, Poland to southern Scandinavia. The first Israeli prime minister, Ben-Gurion, was Polish ... not a single indigenous Jew from the area has ever been allowed to hold a position of political power ... displaced by the white invading Jews who imagine the Middle East was white European thousands of years ago.
Am I understanding this correctly? Israel exists because people from all over the world simply moved to a place that was already inhabited and said "this land is ours now"?
Shocking that this created conflict!
You know this is literally the story of every nation in existence right? Are we going make everyone give back the land they now inhabit and move back to their ethnic homeland. How far are we going back in time? 100 year, a 1000? What happens when it's diputed who the land really belonged to historically.
You can agree or disagree with how Isreal was founded as a Jewish state. But Palestine lost a war and is a country that has been offered terms of surrender and their own state multiple times and refused. The sad truth is that in many of the Arab states they just flat out hate Jews and think Isreal has no right to exist.
The other total lack of historical understanding many seem to have is they think things would be so much better in the Middle East without Isreal. The Middle East has been a chaotic and violent place for centuries, whether a Jewish state existed or not. Although some, not all, of the Arab states have a common hatred of Isreal at the moment these are allies of convenience. Pull Isreal out of the middle east and they would immediately be at each other's throats just like they have been throughout history.
Pure no nonsense.
Pre Israel, Europe was a far more violent place than the ME
The remaining Jews should have went to the melting pot of America, the land of supposedly free. By creating Israel, you purposely create conflict. The UN was infiltrated and corrupted from the start. Also, Britain had been infiltrated by Bin Brith and Freemasonry since the late 1700s. Israel is a strategic location in the middle of the old world with access to India. Hitler wanted to send them all first to Madagascar where the conflicting communists and zionists factions could annihilate themselves off the planet forever on an isolated island away from everybody that wanted a crimeless, peaceful country with no degeneracy, usury, inflation, and common ownership.
Anyways, the inquisitors of the Catholic Church were often Jewish. This is in stark contrast to the fancy concentration camps Nazi Germany created with movie theaters and soccer fields, etc.