You sound like John Kellogg. You are a rotten apple.
It is the sport that is rotten.
You make the situation worse. The drugs aren't "Performance Enhancing" for the obvious reason that there is no such thing as a superhuman metabolism. But since you don't even know what metabolism is, you continue with your unhealthy obsession.
So why are you not stalking the 2 last world champions in the 1500m as you are stalking the current female world champion in the 1500m and the 5000m, Nordaas in this tread and Jakob in multiple treads (every time he has run a good race) ?
They are nowhere near as glaringly obvious, if they are doping. I don't think 3:29 of itself confirms doping but I have already said that if they were significantly faster than that - maybe 3:28 and certainly 3:27 that would raise red flags for me.
Kipyegon and Hassan I simply regard as ridiculous, their doping is so obvious.
THOUGHTSLEADER, there has to be a limit to freedom of speech. You have more or less accused Gjert of doping his athletes. I really do think you and others need to be accountable for your actions. I've been posting about this for 20 years here. Enough is enough.
Two things you need to do.
1, Recognise that some people have World Class ability and are going to demonstrate it with World Class performances.
2, Learn some basic Biology. There is no such thing as a superhuman metabolism, and thus the "Performance Enhancing Drug" concept is unscientific.
If Nordas is doping, it is plausible to think that the NAU team is doping, along with Mike Smith's pro group. By no means am I accusing them of doping, but: If Nordas and Jakob are doping (and I do think that the two are), then it means they are using double threshold as an excuse. Gjert did not invent double threshold, but Jakab is by far the biggest name to use the training plan, and he is certainly one of the earliest top pro adopters. But, it is possible (highly likely) that Gjert knows a doctor who, simply put, has the best proprietary sauce on the market. because there is relatively little data on double threshold and the results it brings, it would not be apparent right now that jakob and nordas are outliers among double threshold users (which would essentially mean they are dopers). Mike Smith was the earliest collegiate adopter of double threshold, so he could be using the same strategy of doping and blaming good results on double threshold. I really hope that Smith's athletes are clean (Luis is my favorite 5k guy and pick for bronze in the Paris 5k), but if Gjert is running a doping ring (and he is), then NAU has to be questioned. I don't know of other pro or college groups using double threshold, but if they are, they warrant more suspicion. And again, it might turn out that double threshold really is the holy grail of training. but we can't rule out the sauce
What a bunch of biased rubbish:
You want accuse Mike Smith´s group of doping but you have no problems with accusing Jakob and Nordaas of doping even though it - according to you - must mean it is plausible that the American group also dopes.
Then you by free phantasy suppose Gjert knows a "good" doctor but in the same time hopes that the double treshold regimen is the explanation for you beloved American training groups good results.
Hopes for for the Americans, but no hope for the guys "over there"!
I think you misunderstand me. I'm by no means saying that Mike Smith's group isn't doping. Instead I'm essentially stating the opposite. Simply put, double threshold is being used as an excuse to hide doping, and top level group using the training needs more scrutiny. Jakob and Nordas are using double threshold to dope, and it is plausible to think that NAU are as well (as I stated a few times). I'm not saying that they absolutely are, but while I wouldn't go as far as accuse them straight up, I think that NAU and Mike Smith need more scrutiny. essentially the opposite of what you think I'm saying.
You make the situation worse. The drugs aren't "Performance Enhancing" for the obvious reason that there is no such thing as a superhuman metabolism. But since you don't even know what metabolism is, you continue with your unhealthy obsession.
The "unhealthy obsession" is that of WADA and antidoping. And the athletes who dope. You are the total moron here.
They are nowhere near as glaringly obvious, if they are doping. I don't think 3:29 of itself confirms doping but I have already said that if they were significantly faster than that - maybe 3:28 and certainly 3:27 that would raise red flags for me.
Kipyegon and Hassan I simply regard as ridiculous, their doping is so obvious.
John Kellogg, you are a disgrace to the sport.
Because you are a moron you do not know that I am not John Kellogg - whoever he is.
THOUGHTSLEADER, there has to be a limit to freedom of speech. You have more or less accused Gjert of doping his athletes. I really do think you and others need to be accountable for your actions. I've been posting about this for 20 years here. Enough is enough.
Two things you need to do.
1, Recognise that some people have World Class ability and are going to demonstrate it with World Class performances.
2, Learn some basic Biology. There is no such thing as a superhuman metabolism, and thus the "Performance Enhancing Drug" concept is unscientific.
THOUGHTSLEADER, there has to be a limit to freedom of speech. You have more or less accused Gjert of doping his athletes. I really do think you and others need to be accountable for your actions. I've been posting about this for 20 years here. Enough is enough.
Two things you need to do.
1, Recognise that some people have World Class ability and are going to demonstrate it with World Class performances.
2, Learn some basic Biology. There is no such thing as a superhuman metabolism, and thus the "Performance Enhancing Drug" concept is unscientific.
You need help.
You are the one posting countless thousands of times defaming elite athletes and spouting ignorance of basic biology.
So if you have no idea whether Nordas is doped or not (or any other runner) what exactly do you have to contribute to a thread on a doping subject? Precisely, nothing. But I knew that already. You're a bag of wind.
On the flip side you have no idea who is doped or not, and if yes, what they are taking. You just exist to spew nonsense. If this guy is a bag of wind, you must be a bag of wind to contain the size of a tropical depression
Aaahaaa, If you have such an idea, present it. By that I mean give some empirical evidence, please. And since you are not able to argue, my point is that when people accuse somebody of doping at least they should be able to present a legtimate hypothesis. And before that falsify a null hypotheses. But you have not learned that at school have you? The wind blows your words away.
Because you are a moron you do not know that I am not John Kellogg - whoever he is.
You have the same philosophy.
So do David Howman, WADA, antidoping experts - not to mention the countless athletes who find it works for them, which is why they do it. You are a lonely nutter.
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You are the one posting countless thousands of times defaming elite athletes and spouting ignorance of basic biology.
I am not the "one"; there are countless threads that alleged doping.
When it comes the basic biology, just as we know that training enhances what is there so can pharmaceuticals, which is why they are used as medicine as well as in sports.
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On the flip side you have no idea who is doped or not, and if yes, what they are taking. You just exist to spew nonsense. If this guy is a bag of wind, you must be a bag of wind to contain the size of a tropical depression
Aaahaaa, If you have such an idea, present it. By that I mean give some empirical evidence, please. And since you are not able to argue, my point is that when people accuse somebody of doping at least they should be able to present a legtimate hypothesis. And before that falsify a null hypotheses. But you have not learned that at school have you? The wind blows your words away.
You are still here - even though you say you have no idea who is doping and who isn't? You must like the sound of your own voice.
Aaahaaa, If you have such an idea, present it. By that I mean give some empirical evidence, please. And since you are not able to argue, my point is that when people accuse somebody of doping at least they should be able to present a legtimate hypothesis. And before that falsify a null hypotheses. But you have not learned that at school have you? The wind blows your words away.
You are still here - even though you say you have no idea who is doping and who isn't? You must like the sound of your own voice.
You are here all the time All over the place. So who likes the sound of his voice. Over and over again. And can't answer simple questions. The there is silence. No, again I can't tell who is doped or not. And neither can you.
Well you use simple deduction:
Premise 1: All runners who run under approx. 3:30 are doped.
Premise 2: Narve Gilje Nordås ran 3:29.47
Conclution: Narve Gilje Nordås is doped. (And everybody else who ran better or will run better in the future. You are the judge, the judge without a shrink of evidence. Just bad reasoning.)
But that's the best you can do. Not even using science about doping. Yes, we know, we know, you are using a WADA estimation.
We do have to now consider that Narve went from 3rd in M1500 at 3:29.6 (52.9 last lap) to an uncompetitive 7th at 3:30.4 (55 last lap).
In the 5,000, he was 17th today and uncompetitive. In fairness, he was bad in the 5000 final last year.
But a year later with likely much more scrutiny/testing he has clearly had a tough season with bad early results on the circuit and at European champs.
And despite no COVID excuse like Katir’s 2022, the season has been equally inconsistent and ultimately worse in the championship season. So I guess we will see what happens with Narve from here.