George Floyd / Chauvin trial starts monday

Armstrong and Floyd are both black and that's why Armstrong defends this criminal.

sleepy Floyd? wrote:

Did you know that they found capsules in the back seat of the police car with Floyd's DNA on them, he was ingesting the drugs so that stye wouldn't be found on him. The guy was OD'ing.

In that case they should have had two guys kneel on his neck, for half an hour.

No one responding to Armstrong is going to change his/her mind. Armstrong seems like one of those useful idiots the left uses. Just regurgitating what some burner account on Twitter spews.

Runner10287 wrote:

No one responding to Armstrong is going to change his/her mind. Armstrong seems like one of those useful idiots the left uses. Just regurgitating what some burner account on Twitter spews.

Exactly, he/she wouldn't believe Jakob Blake had a knife and resisted arrest, wouldn't believe GF resisted arrest, now doesn't believe that drugs might have had a smidge to do with GF's death. Hard reasoning with those unwilling to use all the facts, not just the ones they like.

Not in my hood wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I assume you’ve watched the video? The knee isn’t on his windpipe. Nowhere close. He doesn’t even look to have much weight on him at all. So I’d bet I could breathe indefinitely in that position.

You should try it. Pass off a fake 20 dollar bill and wait for the police to turn up. Oh, wait - you're not black; they probably won't see it as necessary to "restrain" you.[/quote]

You are exactly right they wouldn't need to restrain him, or anyone, if they don't resist arrest and don't resist going in the police car. Why is that so hard for you to see?

So why does a person who has been handcuffed and is on the ground require a police officer's knee on his neck to the point of his death?

You don't know the relevant law either; the police cannot justify using deadly force, i.e. killing a suspect, unless they are themselves threatened with deadly force. Floyd posed no such threat. That is why Chauvin and his fellow officers are facing homicide charges. But that is too hard for you to see.

Passing counterfeit money isn't justification for making an arrest?

poor man has a drug addiction so therefore deserves to die ...wtf , help the guy don't kill him !!

I'm not sure why you don't get the fact that GF didn't want to go in the squad car? When he resisted going in the squad car and started to thrash around he needed to be restrained until the ambulance came. Is that really that hard to grasp?

Not in my hood wrote:

Runner10287 wrote:

No one responding to Armstrong is going to change his/her mind. Armstrong seems like one of those useful idiots the left uses. Just regurgitating what some burner account on Twitter spews.

Exactly, he/she wouldn't believe Jakob Blake had a knife and resisted arrest, wouldn't believe GF resisted arrest, now doesn't believe that drugs might have had a smidge to do with GF's death. Hard reasoning with those unwilling to use all the facts, not just the ones they like.

Describing yourself there. But it takes a degree of humanity to be shocked by the scenes of Floyd's death. There isn't much of that here.

Cardiac arrest can be caused by prone restraint in individuals with pre-existing cardiac conditions (which Floyd had) and people that are using drugs. Even if people are on top of them or not. He was complaining of not being able to breathe long before people were on top of him.

https://www.disabilityrightsca.org/system/files?file=file-attachments/701801.pdf

The fact that he had a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system only exacerbated the issue. His own behaviors contributed greatly to his death. Now, you may find issue with the restraint technique used by the police (even though it is statistically safer than something like a taser), but Floyd's resistance escalated the level of control to that point.

The prosecuting attorney knows they don't have a chance in hell of convicting Chauvin of 2nd degree murder (which the mob wanted him tried with out of blood lust) and are now trying to salvage a 3rd degree murder charge that the previous judge threw out when they decided to go for the 2nd degree charge. Chauvin and the others will walk and cities will burn again. All this over a menace to society (armed home invasion of a woman, routine operation of a vehicle while stoned, absentee father,etc.). It is a strange society that prioritizes the interests of a career criminal over the interests of innocent small business owners who have seen their life work go up in flames.

Please. They were put on wrong. Just like your dad failed at pulling out.

Your argument is about as solid as people have escaped from prison so it isn’t safe to put people in prison. Instead we should kneel on their neck until they are unconscious. Much safer for everyone involved.

The offer still stands, I will handcuff you and place you sitting on the ground. You try and get away. Three of my buddies and I will keep you from going anywhere very easily. I guarantee you won’t get away, let alone get the handcuffs off. I’ll live stream your humiliation for fun as a bonus.

comedyre1i3f 2 wrote:

Cardiac arrest can be caused by prone restraint in individuals with pre-existing cardiac conditions (which Floyd had) and people that are using drugs. Even if people are on top of them or not. He was complaining of not being able to breathe long before people were on top of him.

Well then it's a good thing they put a knee in his neck for several minutes and kept it there after he became unconscious.

Not in my hood wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

So how did his "behaviour" establish a criminal misdemeanour - which is the only justification in law for the police to make an arrest?

He wasn't overdosing. The two autopsies both concluded the drugs in his system did not contribute to his death. This false claim that he was overdosing is white supremacist propaganda to try to exonerate the police and blame Floyd for his own death. But it finds a ready audience here.

Passing counterfeit money isn't justification for making an arrest?

You aren't very bright. You made a distinction between his so-called "behaviour" and the alleged passing of a 20 dollar bill. The latter may be grounds for an arrest but the former isn't - unless it constitutes or reveals a separate crime.

different course - different result ? wrote:

poor man has a drug addiction so therefore deserves to die ...wtf , help the guy don't kill him !!

It's hard to remove the drugs that he already had in his system to magically disappear, If you watch ALL the footage leading up to the knee on the neck you would know that they DID try and work with him. Again, this is what is so sad - the lack of knowledge about what really happened .

I'm hoping all of this is clearly covered in court and the protests remain peaceful and people learn some personal responsibility is way more helpful than looting and rioting.

More bs. He did not have a lethal drug dose in his system. The autopsies said the drugs in his system did not contribute to his death. But keep pushing that white supremacist lie.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Not in my hood wrote:

Passing counterfeit money isn't justification for making an arrest?

You aren't very bright. You made a distinction between his so-called "behaviour" and the alleged passing of a 20 dollar bill. The latter may be grounds for an arrest but the former isn't - unless it constitutes or reveals a separate crime.

I never claimed to be as bright as you, but know the "behaviour" that leads to using funny money and resisting arrest are sure ways to spend some time in jail.

Not in my hood wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

So why does a person who has been handcuffed and is on the ground require a police officer's knee on his neck to the point of his death?

You don't know the relevant law either; the police cannot justify using deadly force, i.e. killing a suspect, unless they are themselves threatened with deadly force. Floyd posed no such threat. That is why Chauvin and his fellow officers are facing homicide charges. But that is too hard for you to see.

I'm not sure why you don't get the fact that GF didn't want to go in the squad car? When he resisted going in the squad car and started to thrash around he needed to be restrained until the ambulance came. Is that really that hard to grasp?

Everything is too hard for you to grasp. He was handcuffed and held on the ground by the police. Wasn't that "restraint" enough for you? Or did the police need to kill him - in case he passed off another fake 20 dollar bill? It has escaped your understanding but Chauvin and his fellow officers are being tried for homicide. Is that really that hard to grasp? For you - obviously.