Legit question wrote:
Journey to the edge of the Earth wrote:
It's all relative.
The Michelson-Morley experiment proved that the earth was stationary. Albert Einstein then tried to disprove it with his relativity theory, but later admitted: "I have come to believe that any motion of the earth CANNOT be detected by any optical experiment."
The earth is flat & stationary.
Define flat? Define stationary?
Journey to the edge of the Earth wrote:
Legit question wrote:
The Michelson-Morley experiment proved that the earth was stationary. Albert Einstein then tried to disprove it with his relativity theory, but later admitted: "I have come to believe that any motion of the earth CANNOT be detected by any optical experiment."
The earth is flat & stationary.
Define flat? Define stationary?
Not a ball, not moving.
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
Journey to the edge of the Earth wrote:
Define flat? Define stationary?
Not a ball, not moving.
LQ is nuts, but I had had to play along just once. These flat guys are hilarious.
Journey to the edge of the Earth wrote:
Legit question wrote:
The Michelson-Morley experiment proved that the earth was stationary. Albert Einstein then tried to disprove it with his relativity theory, but later admitted: "I have come to believe that any motion of the earth CANNOT be detected by any optical experiment."
The earth is flat & stationary.
Define flat? Define stationary?
Einstein disagrees with you. Try again.
Legit question wrote:
Journey to the edge of the Earth wrote:
Define flat? Define stationary?
Einstein disagrees with you. Try again.
Two things:
1) all you have to do is look up at the sky and see the moon, sun, and stars moving. If earth was flat and stationary these would never move. The sun would be in the sky 24 hours a day and never move. After all, if earth is flat and stationary than other large objects will also be flat and stationary; according to Einstein.
2) Einstein used paper and a pencil. He did not use telescopes. Math at that time could not fathom such large objects because, well, they are unfathomably large.
Legit question wrote:
What? Telescopes look into the past....where did you find that nonsense? Show us.
Using glober math, the curvature calculator is 8 inches per mile squared. However, there have been countless experiments with lasers, hi zoom cameras, etc that show objects coming into view when they should be hundreds or thousands of feet below the horizon.
Surveyors NEVER account for curvature in their calculations.
7 laser experiments prove a flat earth.
Atmospheric Magnification: why objects are behind the horizon.
One of the best Testable, Provable and Repeatable experiments that proves how objects change due to Atmospheric conditions.
The earth is flat, deal with it.
Looks like some flat-earthers need to learn more about refraction and how it bends light.
Atmospheric “Magnification” is a step in the right direction, but just the wrong name.
Surveyors don’t need to account for curvature in short local measurements, but they do account for it in measurements over larger distances.
sbeefyk2 wrote:
Legit question wrote:
Einstein disagrees with you. Try again.
Two things:
1) all you have to do is look up at the sky and see the moon, sun, and stars moving. If earth was flat and stationary these would never move. The sun would be in the sky 24 hours a day and never move. After all, if earth is flat and stationary than other large objects will also be flat and stationary; according to Einstein.
2) Einstein used paper and a pencil. He did not use telescopes. Math at that time could not fathom such large objects because, well, they are unfathomably large.
How long ago do you think Einstein lived? His theory that gravity can bend light was proven by using a telescope observing an eclipse.
Don’t let my previous comment lead you to think I’m siding with the flat-earthers.
To those who are I suggest you try Eratosthenes‘ experiment using wells at different latitudes. Then tell me why sunlight goes further down the shaft of the well at the lower latitude than it does the the well at the higher latitude if the weather is flat.
Legit question wrote:
The Michelson-Morley experiment proved that the earth was stationary.
No it didn’t.
Raggedman wrote:
Don’t let my previous comment lead you to think I’m siding with the flat-earthers.
To those who are I suggest you try Eratosthenes‘ experiment using wells at different latitudes. Then tell me why sunlight goes further down the shaft of the well at the lower latitude than it does the the well at the higher latitude if the earth is flat.
This forum really needs an edit function.
Journey to the edge of the Earth wrote:
Bushkin wrote:
How can the Earth be flat ?
General Relativity. The Space Time Continuum.
Physics is weird.
Where's the edge/end ?
Bushkin wrote:
Journey to the edge of the Earth wrote:
General Relativity. The Space Time Continuum.
Physics is weird.
Where's the edge/end ?
No-one has ever returned alive from the edge. Even Flat Earthers don't dare go there.
Legit question wrote:
Surveyors NEVER account for curvature in their calculations.
The earth is flat, deal with it.
They don't work at distances where it becomes necessary.
https://tenor.com/view/spit-take-laugh-lmao-gif-9271200Journey to the edge of the Earth wrote:
Bushkin wrote:
Where's the edge/end ?
No-one has ever returned alive from the edge. Even Flat Earthers don't dare go there.
Heya Flat earther friends, not keen to debate the math but really keen to understand the reason for the lie/hoax from your perspective. Why would NASA scientists, meteorologists, airline's ect lie, what's the point and who benefits?
It's been a long time since I was a land surveyor (total stations were just taking over the theodolite and tape, and GPS was a mere pipedream) so much is lost in the mists of time, but the reason I didn't deal directly with the earth's curvature was because I was surveying in relatively small distances (~500m (curvature ~0.02m)) and the results were mapped onto a map projection that already takes care of the curvature (as far as we were concerned anyway). Had I been involved in large scale surveying (ocean oil pipelines, etc) or across different map projections I would have had to take more care about the curve.
If the earth was flat, we wouldn't need the 000's of different map projections.
If I plot a straight line across the Atlantic using a Mercator projection, I could follow the line and sail to the point I'd selected (if I could sail a ship at all, that is). But if I measured the lands at different latitudes, that were the same size in the map, I'd find a huge difference between them on the land.
But if I took an equal area projection, Gall_Peters for example, I'd find the equally sized lands at different latitudes were equally sized on the land. But trying to follow a straight line to navigate from the map I would end up miles away from my destination.
These discrepancies are because of trying to flatten a spheroid. If the world was flat, it would be impossible to come up with a map that was able to provide accurate lines of true bearing in all directions, and incorrect areas.
foxymoron wrote:
Heya Flat earther friends, not keen to debate the math but really keen to understand the reason for the lie/hoax from your perspective. Why would NASA scientists, meteorologists, airline's ect lie, what's the point and who benefits?
This is always where these goofy arguments really off the rails. Anybody who spouts conspiracy theories can't argue beyond that question.
foxymoron wrote:
Heya Flat earther friends, not keen to debate the math but really keen to understand the reason for the lie/hoax from your perspective. Why would NASA scientists, meteorologists, airline's etc. lie, what's the point and who benefits?
I believe flat earthers fall into three categories:
1) Charlatans: They do not believe in a flat earth but have discovered they can get a decent income from selling books, T-shirts and other memorabilia to the Gullible (Category 3). They also enjoy revenue from "conferences" where they can get the Gullible to pay for the right to enter the building where they are selling their books, T-shirts etc.
2)Trolls: They do not believe in a flat earth but get great pleasure over winding people up and getting them to engage in endless arguments lifted from the works of the Charlatans. It is satisfying for them because they have to do little work for their reward. The flat earthers posting in this thread fall into this category.
3) Gullible: They probably do believe in a flat earth and are exploited by the Charlatans and egged on by the Trolls. They are the only group that can honestly answer your question but almost certainly lack the critical thinking skills and analytical thought process to come up with any form of answer.
Therefore the most likely respondents to your question will be either the Charlatans or Trolls. As a result you will not get a genuine answer.
Bushkin wrote:
https://tenor.com/view/spit-take-laugh-lmao-gif-9271200Journey to the edge of the Earth wrote:
No-one has ever returned alive from the edge. Even Flat Earthers don't dare go there.
Now you're laughin pretty baby
But some day you're gonna be cryin
Now you're laughin pretty baby
But some sad day you're gonna be cryin
Further on up the road
You'll find out I wasn't lyin
Raddison wrote:
foxymoron wrote:
Heya Flat earther friends, not keen to debate the math but really keen to understand the reason for the lie/hoax from your perspective. Why would NASA scientists, meteorologists, airline's etc. lie, what's the point and who benefits?
I believe flat earthers fall into three categories:
1) Charlatans: They do not believe in a flat earth but have discovered they can get a decent income from selling books, T-shirts and other memorabilia to the Gullible (Category 3). They also enjoy revenue from "conferences" where they can get the Gullible to pay for the right to enter the building where they are selling their books, T-shirts etc.
2)Trolls: They do not believe in a flat earth but get great pleasure over winding people up and getting them to engage in endless arguments lifted from the works of the Charlatans. It is satisfying for them because they have to do little work for their reward. The flat earthers posting in this thread fall into this category.
3) Gullible: They probably do believe in a flat earth and are exploited by the Charlatans and egged on by the Trolls. They are the only group that can honestly answer your question but almost certainly lack the critical thinking skills and analytical thought process to come up with any form of answer.
Therefore the most likely respondents to your question will be either the Charlatans or Trolls. As a result you will not get a genuine answer.
^ This.
I think all of this is spot on.