Official Covid Vaccine thread

DanM wrote:

Still Fed Up wrote:

Whistleblower out of New Zealand has decimated all the tyrannical STEM-challenge 'scientists', 'doctors', and government health 'experts'.

I feel for you dummies that got duped. Next time, try not being such arrogant a-holes about your parroted nonsense and try listening to the critical thinkers around you. They may just save your life.

The 56-year-old man will appear in the Wellington District Court tomorrow charged with accessing a computer system for dishonest purposes, police said.

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In addition, Te Whatu Ora has been granted an injunction that "prevents any publication of the data" by the Employment Relations Authority. However, authorities are still "working to confirm the full extent" of the man's activities.

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Apa said: "What this individual is trying to claim about vaccines is completely wrong and ill-informed and their comments demonstrate this. The person has no clinical background or expert vaccine knowledge and appears to be trying to spread misinformation."

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Link:www.1news.co.nz/2023/12/03/health-work...

So what you happen to be saying is wrote:

Newname wrote:

The claim is the vax saved lives.

In fact, the more highly vaxxed a nation, the more Covid deaths.

The onus is on you to show that vaccines are effective given the data showing the opposite.

Go ahead and analyze the data and tell us why the correlation is meaningless.

Uh, no. It’s really not on me. I see raw data in various places suggesting both possibilities: that the vaccine was effective or that it wasn’t. Whichever side does a better job of analyzing the data is the one that I’ll trust as correct. You steadfastly refuse to analyze the data in a way that rigorous, adept thinkers simply do as a matter of course before drawing their conclusions and firming up their views. You just claim that it’s obvious. I’ve told you exactly why I’m likely to be skeptical of a claim of obviousness about correlations. You can keep blah, blah, blahing about what others refuse to admit or don’t see, but when you’re given the chance to actually make a case to sway their opinion, it’s nothing.

Hope you and DanM have fun going back and forth about how other people are foolish, blind to facts, and unable to support their opinions.

mm yy 22 cc wrote:

So what you happen to be saying is wrote:

Uh, no. It’s really not on me. I see raw data in various places suggesting both possibilities: that the vaccine was effective or that it wasn’t. Whichever side does a better job of analyzing the data is the one that I’ll trust as correct. You steadfastly refuse to analyze the data in a way that rigorous, adept thinkers simply do as a matter of course before drawing their conclusions and firming up their views. You just claim that it’s obvious. I’ve told you exactly why I’m likely to be skeptical of a claim of obviousness about correlations. You can keep blah, blah, blahing about what others refuse to admit or don’t see, but when you’re given the chance to actually make a case to sway their opinion, it’s nothing.

Hope you and DanM have fun going back and forth about how other people are foolish, blind to facts, and unable to support their opinions.

It's a lost cause. Unkel/Carmine9/New Name has been caught lying hundreds of times. He used to protest when people brought that up, but now he just takes it.

mm yy 22 cc wrote:

So what you happen to be saying is wrote:

Uh, no. It’s really not on me. I see raw data in various places suggesting both possibilities: that the vaccine was effective or that it wasn’t. Whichever side does a better job of analyzing the data is the one that I’ll trust as correct. You steadfastly refuse to analyze the data in a way that rigorous, adept thinkers simply do as a matter of course before drawing their conclusions and firming up their views. You just claim that it’s obvious. I’ve told you exactly why I’m likely to be skeptical of a claim of obviousness about correlations. You can keep blah, blah, blahing about what others refuse to admit or don’t see, but when you’re given the chance to actually make a case to sway their opinion, it’s nothing.

Hope you and DanM have fun going back and forth about how other people are foolish, blind to facts, and unable to support their opinions.

It's a lost cause. Unkel/Carmine9/New Name has been caught lying hundreds of times. He used to protest when people brought that up, but now he just takes it.

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

mm yy 22 cc wrote:

Is correlation the same as causation?

Against my better judgement I pulled down the vaccination & covid death data by country* and ran the regression.

While the slope of the unadjusted data is positive, the R^2 value is 0.05 (the scale is 1 means perfect correlation and 0 is uncorrelated) which is a bad model fit. This doesn't mean that there isn't a relationship between vaccination rates and covid death rates, but it does say that the relationship is overwhelmed by other factors in this data set.

The statement, "Clearly shows a very strong correlation between highly vaxxed nation and high Covid death rates", in this data set is simply and objectively wrong.

By starting the data series from when vaccines were widely deployed (I used 6/1/21) and excluding data from Africa the slope becomes negative and much more so with a rudimentary adjustment for population age, but the R^2 values are still very low implying that the model "higher national vax rates implies higher covid death rates" is a lousy explanation for the dataset.

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Link:ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vacci...