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This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
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So what you happen to be saying is wrote:
DanM wrote:
Mention Africa and the vaxxer argument crumbles into dust. Low vax uptake, low Covid death rate, but they will say that is because most African countries have a young median age.
If Covid isn't a threat to the young, they why does the CDC recommend the Covid vax for children as young as 6 months ?
Vaxxer "logic" quickly reveals itself to actually be illogic.
on average, people who participate in sports where helmets are required are much more likely to sustain confessions than in sports in which no helmets are required. The positive correlation between helmet wearing and concussions is robust.
Therefore, helmet wearing does not reduce the likelihood of an athlete sustaining a concussion.
Sounds like you have experienced several concussions. I extend my sincerest sympathy. Hope you don't end up like Mike Webster.
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DanM wrote:
Sounds like you have experienced several concussions. I extend my sincerest sympathy. Hope you don't end up like Mike Webster.
? I asked newname to answer some questions and explain his point. instead, he just kept hammering Home the point that there’s a really strong correlation.
so I provided an extreme example of a strong correlation being meaningless on its own.
The point is that the quality of the analysis of correlation matters.
he could very well have a good analysis. I just haven’t seen it, which is why I’ve asked for it.
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Dr. Carissa Etienne, who led COVID-19 response in Latin America and Caribbean, is dead
December 1, 2023 3:11 PMDr. Carissa Etienne, the medical doctor and public health trailblazer whose calm demeanor and resolve helped steer Latin America and the Caribbean through the COVID-19 pandemic, has died. She was 71.
Her death was confirmed by the Pan American Health Organization, which she recently retired from after 10 years as its director. The organization, which is the Americas office of the World Health Organization, did not give a cause of death. Caribbean media reports say Etienne died in the early hours of Friday after collapsing at her home in Maryland.
Washington, D.C., August 12, 2021 (PAHO)—Dr. Carissa F. Etienne, Director of the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO), expressed concern about COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy in Caribbean countries and made a strong appeal to people to get vaccinated.
Speaking at her weekly media briefing, Dr. Etienne, who is from Dominica, said, "I am truly very concerned about what is happening in the Caribbean" with people reluctant to get vaccines and relaxing their adherence to public health measures.
"So please, please, please take your vaccines and please wear your masks properly, social distance. I know the Caribbean people like to be close, and we like fetes, and we like to congregate, but please avoid congregation. Observe respiratory etiquette and wash your hands frequently."
"What we are seeing now is persons totally relaxing on the public health measures and a high level of vaccine hesitancy," Dr. Etienne said. "Even when vaccines are available, persons are not coming forward. We are seeing vaccine hesitancy in healthcare workers."
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Did she ever proclaim that her 61% AG race times were substantial evidence on vaccine efficacy questions in the manner of math-challenged ghouls like you who would bandy her death notice about lot try to score political points? Or was she a good person?
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So what you happen to be saying is wrote:
DanM wrote:
Mention Africa and the vaxxer argument crumbles into dust. Low vax uptake, low Covid death rate, but they will say that is because most African countries have a young median age.
If Covid isn't a threat to the young, they why does the CDC recommend the Covid vax for children as young as 6 months ?
Vaxxer "logic" quickly reveals itself to actually be illogic.
on average, people who participate in sports where helmets are required are much more likely to sustain confessions than in sports in which no helmets are required. The positive correlation between helmet wearing and concussions is robust.
Therefore, helmet wearing does not reduce the likelihood of an athlete sustaining a concussion.
What in God's name are you talking about?
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So what you happen to be saying is wrote:
DanM wrote:
Sounds like you have experienced several concussions. I extend my sincerest sympathy. Hope you don't end up like Mike Webster.
? I asked newname to answer some questions and explain his point. instead, he just kept hammering Home the point that there’s a really strong correlation.
so I provided an extreme example of a strong correlation being meaningless on its own.
The point is that the quality of the analysis of correlation matters.
he could very well have a good analysis. I just haven’t seen it, which is why I’ve asked for it.
The claim is the vax saved lives.
In fact, the more highly vaxxed a nation, the more Covid deaths.
The onus is on you to show that vaccines are effective given the data showing the opposite.
Go ahead and analyze the data and tell us why the correlation is meaningless.
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The key question wrote:
Did she ever proclaim that her 61% AG race times were substantial evidence on vaccine efficacy questions in the manner of math-challenged ghouls like you who would bandy her death notice about lot try to score political points? Or was she a good person?
An unexplained collapse. No cause of death given.
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Newname wrote:
The claim is the vax saved lives.
In fact, the more highly vaxxed a nation, the more Covid deaths.
The onus is on you to show that vaccines are effective given the data showing the opposite.
Go ahead and analyze the data and tell us why the correlation is meaningless.
Uh, no. It’s really not on me. I see raw data in various places suggesting both possibilities: that the vaccine was effective or that it wasn’t. Whichever side does a better job of analyzing the data is the one that I’ll trust as correct. You steadfastly refuse to analyze the data in a way that rigorous, adept thinkers simply do as a matter of course before drawing their conclusions and firming up their views. You just claim that it’s obvious. I’ve told you exactly why I’m likely to be skeptical of a claim of obviousness about correlations. You can keep blah, blah, blahing about what others refuse to admit or don’t see, but when you’re given the chance to actually make a case to sway their opinion, it’s nothing.
Hope you and DanM have fun going back and forth about how other people are foolish, blind to facts, and unable to support their opinions.
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So what you happen to be saying is wrote:
Newname wrote:
The claim is the vax saved lives.
In fact, the more highly vaxxed a nation, the more Covid deaths.
The onus is on you to show that vaccines are effective given the data showing the opposite.
Go ahead and analyze the data and tell us why the correlation is meaningless.
Uh, no. It’s really not on me. I see raw data in various places suggesting both possibilities: that the vaccine was effective or that it wasn’t. Whichever side does a better job of analyzing the data is the one that I’ll trust as correct. You steadfastly refuse to analyze the data in a way that rigorous, adept thinkers simply do as a matter of course before drawing their conclusions and firming up their views. You just claim that it’s obvious. I’ve told you exactly why I’m likely to be skeptical of a claim of obviousness about correlations. You can keep blah, blah, blahing about what others refuse to admit or don’t see, but when you’re given the chance to actually make a case to sway their opinion, it’s nothing.
Hope you and DanM have fun going back and forth about how other people are foolish, blind to facts, and unable to support their opinions.
Vaccine is effective is the claim.
Official data shows the most vaxxed nations had the highest covid death rates and the least vaxxed nations the lowest.
Claim that vaccine is effective is disproved.
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Newname wrote:
So what you happen to be saying is wrote:
Uh, no. It’s really not on me. I see raw data in various places suggesting both possibilities: that the vaccine was effective or that it wasn’t. Whichever side does a better job of analyzing the data is the one that I’ll trust as correct. You steadfastly refuse to analyze the data in a way that rigorous, adept thinkers simply do as a matter of course before drawing their conclusions and firming up their views. You just claim that it’s obvious. I’ve told you exactly why I’m likely to be skeptical of a claim of obviousness about correlations. You can keep blah, blah, blahing about what others refuse to admit or don’t see, but when you’re given the chance to actually make a case to sway their opinion, it’s nothing.
Hope you and DanM have fun going back and forth about how other people are foolish, blind to facts, and unable to support their opinions.
Vaccine is effective is the claim.
Official data shows the most vaxxed nations had the highest covid death rates and the least vaxxed nations the lowest.
Claim that vaccine is effective is disproved.
Now let's see support for the effectiveness of the jab supported by real life data
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The key question wrote:
Did she ever proclaim that her 61% AG race times were substantial evidence on vaccine efficacy questions in the manner of math-challenged ghouls like you who would bandy her death notice about lot try to score political points? Or was she a good person?
Dr. Etienne was a good person. So am I. Bet you are too.
Educated professional women typically live much longer than age 71 - and please see the post about Diane Clehane, who was 61.
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Whistleblower out of New Zealand has decimated all the tyrannical STEM-challenge 'scientists', 'doctors', and government health 'experts'.
I feel for you dummies that got duped. Next time, try not being such arrogant a-holes about your parroted nonsense and try listening to the critical thinkers around you. They may just save your life.
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DanM wrote:
Monkeys Skyping wrote:
About 80% of the covid deaths in Peru occurred before a significant portion of their population was vaccinated.
The median age remained 28 throughout.
DanM admits COVID is a risk for younger people?
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Newname wrote:
A little bit more please wrote:
The point I asked DanM was basically that his question neglected necessary context. A simple answer to the simple question could yield misleading info.
Similarly, I asked related questions in the post I asked you to answer.
It’s incomplete to say that Country A is more vaccinated but has higher hospitalization & death rates than Country B. Even if you include more countries, you don’t necessarily reduce the confounding variables.
So I asked you to recognize and rule out the kinds of features that would render the data misleading.
It’s not as though you said, “Hey, the UK is more vaccinated than Papua New Guinea but has more hospitalizations and deaths!” But that’s an extreme example of the kind of apples and oranges comparison I’ve asked you to rule out.
So if you can walk me through that point by point in a way that even my feeble brain can process, I’d appreciate it, please.
If you’ve already done so, please refer me to post #s. Thanks.
Jeepers Creepers.
Last time I do this for you vaccine enthusiasts.
Incredibly strong correlation between high vaccine rates and high Covid death rates.
Among all the nations on the planet.
Google "excess deaths"
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Still Fed Up wrote:
Whistleblower out of New Zealand has decimated all the tyrannical STEM-challenge 'scientists', 'doctors', and government health 'experts'.
I feel for you dummies that got duped. Next time, try not being such arrogant a-holes about your parroted nonsense and try listening to the critical thinkers around you. They may just save your life.
You believe any schizo attention-seeker who says what you want to hear. That's just sad, man.
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DanM wrote:
Dr. Carissa Etienne, who led COVID-19 response in Latin America and Caribbean, is dead
December 1, 2023 3:11 PMDr. Carissa Etienne, the medical doctor and public health trailblazer whose calm demeanor and resolve helped steer Latin America and the Caribbean through the COVID-19 pandemic, has died. She was 71.
Her death was confirmed by the Pan American Health Organization, which she recently retired from after 10 years as its director. The organization, which is the Americas office of the World Health Organization, did not give a cause of death. Caribbean media reports say Etienne died in the early hours of Friday after collapsing at her home in Maryland.
Washington, D.C., August 12, 2021 (PAHO)—Dr. Carissa F. Etienne, Director of the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO), expressed concern about COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy in Caribbean countries and made a strong appeal to people to get vaccinated.
Speaking at her weekly media briefing, Dr. Etienne, who is from Dominica, said, "I am truly very concerned about what is happening in the Caribbean" with people reluctant to get vaccines and relaxing their adherence to public health measures.
"So please, please, please take your vaccines and please wear your masks properly, social distance. I know the Caribbean people like to be close, and we like fetes, and we like to congregate, but please avoid congregation. Observe respiratory etiquette and wash your hands frequently."
"What we are seeing now is persons totally relaxing on the public health measures and a high level of vaccine hesitancy," Dr. Etienne said. "Even when vaccines are available, persons are not coming forward. We are seeing vaccine hesitancy in healthcare workers."
I gotta admit, you go above and beyond with the gleeful death porn, Dan. It has to be erotic for you, rejoicing in others' deaths. I tip my hat to you, not afraid to share your kink in public.
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Harambe wrote:
DanM wrote:
Dr. Carissa Etienne, who led COVID-19 response in Latin America and Caribbean, is dead
December 1, 2023 3:11 PMDr. Carissa Etienne, the medical doctor and public health trailblazer whose calm demeanor and resolve helped steer Latin America and the Caribbean through the COVID-19 pandemic, has died. She was 71.
Her death was confirmed by the Pan American Health Organization, which she recently retired from after 10 years as its director. The organization, which is the Americas office of the World Health Organization, did not give a cause of death. Caribbean media reports say Etienne died in the early hours of Friday after collapsing at her home in Maryland.
Washington, D.C., August 12, 2021 (PAHO)—Dr. Carissa F. Etienne, Director of the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO), expressed concern about COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy in Caribbean countries and made a strong appeal to people to get vaccinated.
Speaking at her weekly media briefing, Dr. Etienne, who is from Dominica, said, "I am truly very concerned about what is happening in the Caribbean" with people reluctant to get vaccines and relaxing their adherence to public health measures.
"So please, please, please take your vaccines and please wear your masks properly, social distance. I know the Caribbean people like to be close, and we like fetes, and we like to congregate, but please avoid congregation. Observe respiratory etiquette and wash your hands frequently."
"What we are seeing now is persons totally relaxing on the public health measures and a high level of vaccine hesitancy," Dr. Etienne said. "Even when vaccines are available, persons are not coming forward. We are seeing vaccine hesitancy in healthcare workers."
I gotta admit, you go above and beyond with the gleeful death porn, Dan. It has to be erotic for you, rejoicing in others' deaths. I tip my hat to you, not afraid to share your kink in public.
"Take the vaccine by all means. I am waiting for mine", Dr. Carissa Etienne, PAHO Director
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DanM wrote:
Harambe wrote:
I gotta admit, you go above and beyond with the gleeful death porn, Dan. It has to be erotic for you, rejoicing in others' deaths. I tip my hat to you, not afraid to share your kink in public.
"Take the vaccine by all means. I am waiting for mine", Dr. Carissa Etienne, PAHO Director
Another weekend morning, another day of DanM rejoicing at dead Americans
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So what you happen to be saying is wrote:
DanM wrote:
Sounds like you have experienced several concussions. I extend my sincerest sympathy. Hope you don't end up like Mike Webster.
? I asked newname to answer some questions and explain his point. instead, he just kept hammering Home the point that there’s a really strong correlation.
so I provided an extreme example of a strong correlation being meaningless on its own.
The point is that the quality of the analysis of correlation matters.
he could very well have a good analysis. I just haven’t seen it, which is why I’ve asked for it.
Me: Ten is greater than five.
So what: You need to provide a detailed analysis. Could be confounding variables. Why won't you provide this?
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