50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum

Mon. 50 min. mtn bike. 45 min kayak.

Tue. 50 min. mtn bike.

Wed. Hilly 14 km trail run (500m) 90 mins.

Thu. 75 min. kayak.

Fri. 90 min. mtn bike inc 11m 25s hill climb tt. A new 60+ best but just shy of my 11.21 55-59 best.

Sat. Slow trail shuffle of 8 km in 50 mins.

Sun. Slow 10 km trail shuffle in 59 mins.

An ok week all things considered. Tuesday was our youngests Paramedic graduation inMelbourne. We stayed down there 2 nights. Wednesday went and saw Elton John at Rod Laver Arena. At 73 he still puts on an impressive show.

Hopefully I don't get tested by the World Anti Fluff Authority as Iam sure to test positive.

Genetics R Us wrote:

The times he can run, 85 mile weeks, no acute or chronic injuries

That’s not true.

KCgeezer wrote:

Genetics R Us wrote:

The times he can run, 85 mile weeks, no acute or chronic injuries

That’s not true.

That link posted by Charlie is a RW article - I don't have a subscription to access their articles. But I found this from "Age Group News" dated from 2015:

"Despite ongoing foot problems, Joe Sheeran continues to run four times a day logging over 85 miles per week. Joe is not just putting in “long slow distance”, either. A 5K PR of 16:05, half marathon of 1:15, and marathon of 2:46, all of which since he turned 50, shows he puts in his share of speed-work as well."

*85 mpw per week* running "four times per day." (how does one run four times a day? ?). I can't even run 20 miles per week and with the 3 or 4 days per week it's a one time session. And it must be very minor foot problems to run over 85 mpw. I have a major foot injury from acute trauma (PTT rupture, medial column collapse, PT-OA) that limits me to less than 20 mpw and hours a day of icing & rehab - so his would have to be very minor to allow that kind of insane mileage at his age (and he must also be super lightweight). I said this before here - according to the science age-related musculoskeletal degenerative changes start occurring at age 50. (especially the tendons & ligaments).

And those times are very fast - at my current physical limitations I can barely muster a 25 min 5k. Lol. But back in my mid-30s (60 now) when started running after transitioning from competitive bodybuilding & powerlifting, my PB was only around 18:30 and he runs "16:05" in his late 50s? (many HS XC kids can't even run that fast). Definitely incredible aging genetics and built perfectly for distance running.

Congrats to all who ran Club XC. Looked like a typical year with the mud and all. The post race parties always made up for my lackluster races!

Joe always seems to show up for the championship races. Honored to have run with him a few times. He's the best of the best!

Associations? I'm from Indiana but have always run on a Michigan team. Frontline and now Playmakers. We always had USATFs written approval. And apparently I've been grandfathered in with the rules change a few years back. There are no Indiana associations close to me.

I got the results of my MRI this morning. The summary is "Tendinitis, tendinosis, partial tear, and bursitis of the left achilles"

It all sounds bad but I'm trying to get a grasp in plain talk what it really means. I've had a morning back and forth texting with my PT to come up with a plan. If SCPete is lurking I would love to hear your take. Or message me off-line.

Needless to say I'm not running...

Have a good run,

Dave

Big Red wrote:

I'll look to do a loooooongish run this week, then taper just a bit for the Brazen (Almost) New Year's Eve half.

This is the HM that I'm considering to close out 2019. I ran this race 2 years ago and enjoyed it. It's a 2 hour drive each way (without traffic) so it really beats up the day, but I don't have much going on that weekend. I'll see how I feel by next weekend and decide.

Cush,

Well said and well done. I know your miler body and soul (soles) prefer solid ground. Still, you got as fit as you could in the time you had. You redeemed your SD 5k XC performance a little more. And you kept the post-race suds tradition alive. Wish I had been there. Could-ah-should-ah-would-ah. See you this summer in Eugene?

KP

Mopac wrote:

Mon. 50 min. mtn bike. 45 min kayak.

Tue. 50 min. mtn bike.

Wed. Hilly 14 km trail run (500m) 90 mins.

Thu. 75 min. kayak.

Fri. 90 min. mtn bike inc 11m 25s hill climb tt. A new 60+ best but just shy of my 11.21 55-59 best.

Sat. Slow trail shuffle of 8 km in 50 mins.

Sun. Slow 10 km trail shuffle in 59 mins.

An ok week all things considered. Tuesday was our youngests Paramedic graduation inMelbourne. We stayed down there 2 nights. Wednesday went and saw Elton John at Rod Laver Arena. At 73 he still puts on an impressive show.

Hopefully I don't get tested by the World Anti Fluff Authority as Iam sure to test positive.

I loved Elton John’s first album released here in the States. Had to be 1971 or thereabouts. Oh by the way a fluffy triathlete was open winner at Club Cross Country Championships last weekend.

Sheeran was a 14 min 5 k guy. I was a 16 min 5 k guy.

In his 50s he ran 16 mins. For a few years in my 50s I consistently ran 19min 5ks on forest trails probably worth low to mid 18s on road or track.

I had chronic injuries and was only running 50 to 70 kms per week at the time.

The duration of his 130 plus weekly kms would be about the same as a 19 min runner hitting around 110 kms.

Of course he has great genetics. 14 for 5 kms shows that. He obviously has a ferocious work ethic and has great self discipline.

The period of time off from running may have helped to slow the decline too.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

I loved Elton John’s first album released here in the States. Had to be 1971 or thereabouts.

That was his fourth album released in the US, but hey better late than never.

Hey AM, yes I like this HM race in Fremont. It'll be my 3rd year in a row.

Looking to run a negative split, keeping it cool for the first few miles! I tend to run flat out in the middle of this course and hold on for dear life over the muddy bumpy bit over the last mile. Nothing wrong with that, but it's a good time to experiment with pacing for me... perhaps we'll see you there.

Dwight. wrote:

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

I loved Elton John’s first album released here in the States. Had to be 1971 or thereabouts.

That was his fourth album released in the US, but hey better late than never.

You are wrong:

Elton John is the second studio album by English singer-songwriter Elton John, released on 10 April 1970 by DJM Records. It was released by Uni Records as John's debut album in the United States; many people there assumed it was his first album, as Empty Sky was not released in that country until 1975. Wikipedia

Artist: Elton John

Release date: April 10, 1970

Studio: Trident Studios; (London, England)

Label: Uni Records

Awards: Grammy Hall of Fame

Rtype wrote:

Congrats RF on a very good outcome while dealing with oceans of detritus. And we pay how much for the privilege of this experience? It does make for a good story though!

In cases like this and what KC is talking about the only saving grace is to have your own timing method, hence, the benefit of using a GPS watch.

I can see both sides though as I used to help time them and manage races. It is nightmarishly difficult and completely thankless work. Managing a race is truly a sh*t job and it seems like nobody is happy. For me the reward was handing a big check to a charity. That ALMOST made up for it.

I am glad I am helping St Jude in some small way. But I still wrote a scathing feedback so that they could tweak a few things before the next year. (They also asked me about my opinion on the Hospital, so I wrote "I think you do a great job for the kids and their families. This is entirely separate from what I think about your race.)

And here is my recovery week.

M-T: off.

W: 3 miles.

R: off.

F: 4 miles.

SA: off.

SU: 5 miles.

I originally thought about running 4 miles on Wednesday. But then it didn't feel right, so I stopped at 3 miles. That led to cutting my Friday run to 4 miles and Sunday run to 5 miles.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Dwight. wrote:

That was his fourth album released in the US, but hey better late than never.

You are wrong:

Elton John is the second studio album by English singer-songwriter Elton John, released on 10 April 1970 by DJM Records. It was released by Uni Records as John's debut album in the United States; many people there assumed it was his first album, as Empty Sky was not released in that country until 1975. Wikipedia

Artist: Elton John

Release date: April 10, 1970

Studio: Trident Studios; (London, England)

Label: Uni Records

Awards: Grammy Hall of Fame

So if his first two albums weren’t released in the U.S. until 1975, what were you listening to in 1971?

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

You are wrong:

GOI you are making this thread difficult to read and follow. If you want to ague, please do it about something related to 50+ people trying to train and race. That is the purpose of the thread.

Ageless wrote:

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

You are wrong:

Elton John is the second studio album by English singer-songwriter Elton John, released on 10 April 1970 by DJM Records. It was released by Uni Records as John's debut album in the United States; many people there assumed it was his first album, as Empty Sky was not released in that country until 1975. Wikipedia

Artist: Elton John

Release date: April 10, 1970

Studio: Trident Studios; (London, England)

Label: Uni Records

Awards: Grammy Hall of Fame

So if his first two albums weren’t released in the U.S. until 1975, what were you listening to in 1971?

See my post that you quoted. He was listening to EJ’s fourth album, Madman Across the Water.

ruiningthethread wrote:

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

You are wrong:

GOI you are making this thread difficult to read and follow. If you want to ague, please do it about something related to 50+ people trying to train and race. That is the purpose of the thread.

Sigh. Igy has a lot of experience and lot to offer in this thread but it has become much the Igy thread not the 50+ masters training thread. So would like Igy and follower trolls to chill.

sometime frequenter of this thread wrote:

ruiningthethread wrote:

GOI you are making this thread difficult to read and follow. If you want to ague, please do it about something related to 50+ people trying to train and race. That is the purpose of the thread.

Sigh. Igy has a lot of experience and lot to offer in this thread but it has become much the Igy thread not the 50+ masters training thread. So would like Igy and follower trolls to chill.

Seconded.

Not my usual handle wrote:

sometime frequenter of this thread wrote:

Sigh. Igy has a lot of experience and lot to offer in this thread but it has become much the Igy thread not the 50+ masters training thread. So would like Igy and follower trolls to chill.

Seconded.

Whether it is shortening the radius of a track, the benefits of cross training, running in snowy conditions, gender confusion joke, or an innocuous comment about Elton John, someone has a problem, and it is not me. A least I don’t cast aspersions about master PEDs use, dietary habits, or sign off each week “Best to most!”