How many did I kill today? I’m keeping a spreadsheet.
0.00002 Americans is your share. Congratulations.
Let’s see. 0.00002 of a person isn’t much. At 150lbs that’s only ~0.05oz. That’s like I caused somebody to lose a fingernail? Surely, I’m better than that. After all, I’ve been responsible for 400k deaths in just the last month. How am I doing so much worse at killing people now?
Let’s see. 0.00002 of a person isn’t much. At 150lbs that’s only ~0.05oz. That’s like I caused somebody to lose a fingernail? Surely, I’m better than that. After all, I’ve been responsible for 400k deaths in just the last month. How am I doing so much worse at killing people now?
Local man doesn’t understand fractions and repeatedly gets owned by a gorilla. Story at 8
Let’s see. 0.00002 of a person isn’t much. At 150lbs that’s only ~0.05oz. That’s like I caused somebody to lose a fingernail? Surely, I’m better than that. After all, I’ve been responsible for 400k deaths in just the last month. How am I doing so much worse at killing people now?
Local man doesn’t understand fractions and repeatedly gets owned by a gorilla. Story at 8
You’re right. I don’t understand how I can kill 0.00002 of a person? Is that like I ripped a toenail off? Pulled out a tuft of hair? Enlighten me.
And while I have you here. You failed to explain how I am responsible for all these killings. What have I done to become this horrible mass murderer?
Harambe’s beef is really with Redfield, not Kennedy, not Djokovic, not even you Parot. His former compadre evolved over time, is sharing his dissenting opinion, and Harambe is powerless to stop him or censor, nor can he call him an antivaxxer or a murderer.
“Vaccine Efficacy Duration Well, and you have really some of the best science, as you described it. [00:54:00] I haven't seen that. But if you see it go, you drop it, it comes. But if you do that twice, it's pretty compelling evidence. [Robert Redfield] But I'll tell you, the vaccine doesn't last. Okay. [Del Bigtree] So the vaccine- Well, it's even, I mean, there's a lot of science showing it's even worse than that. It has a reverse efficacy. [Robert Redfield] There are some people, there's some data to suggest that it may even facilitate infection at some point. And there are viral systems that do that. We call it enhancing antibody. It's at a certain level. So I have this much antibody, it doesn't enhance. When I get this much antibody, because it has lots of little antibodies that do different things. And when you get to this level, it does enhance. So there is that possibility that some level of immunity actually makes you more susceptible to reinfection. So I'm not going to argue that that's impossible. I see it. If you look at flaviviruses and dengue, it's very operational. I happen to be vaccinated against COVID, so is my wife. We get vaccinated about every six months. [00:55:02] We don't use the mRNA vaccine. Because when I look at COVID and long COVID, which I have lots of patients now, I'm trying to understand what's making them sick. I think it's the spike protein, which is a special protein that the COVID virus has. And that protein has a very high affinity for a receptor in your body, which lines all your blood vessels and everywhere. And I think your body doesn't get rid of it very easy. It stays around a lot longer than Fauci used to try to tell people. [Del Bigtree] So... Well, I mean, we actually designed it to do that, right? [Robert Redfield] We inserted the pseudouridine. We made it so that it will last longer. It defies some sanity, I think. So it lasts longer. And without the recognition, but lasting longer means it can bind to our receptors and last longer on our receptors that cause problems. Right. All right. So now I know that. And now I have a vaccine that is the mRNA vaccine, and I use this vaccine, help develop it. [00:56:08] I don't use it anymore in my patients. And this is one of the things I can think could be relooked at about safety of the current vaccines 2025. That vaccine, when I give you an mRNA vaccine, I don't know how much mRNA you make. I turn your body into a factory, but I have no controls over that factory. I mean, you can make a lot, you can make a little, and you can make it for a week, you can make it for six months. And Fauci and others used to argue that it doesn't last. Well, no, we now know some of these patients are making spike protein three, six months later. So I've switched in my thing, and where I think there's a safer vaccine, where I use the protein vaccine. It's made by Novavax. So when I give you the COVID vaccine, I'm giving you dead protein. Your body's not turned into a factory. [00:57:00] I know what the decay curve is of that dead protein in your body. And I just think it's a safer way. So like my wife and I, the last two or three vaccines we've got are the Novavax protein vaccine. And that's what I give for my patients. That said, I don't think it's unreasonable to go re-examine the safety of what we know about these vaccines. [Del Bigtree] mRNA Vaccine Concerns You have the opposite happening though. You have mRNA, you have new mRNA vaccines that are trying to run and stay safe based on the COVID vaccine, which has an emergency use authorization. [Robert Redfield] You just saw the Biden administration just gave Moderna over $176 million to make a bird flu vaccine that way. I'm not sure that technology is going to stand the test of time. [Del Bigtree] I agree. But I mean, there's a danger when you have a technology that we don't know a whole lot about. As you said, it seems ad hoc, willy-nilly. It's lasting in some people longer than others. [Robert Redfield] It's a fair debate that should be done transparently. I was on the Warp Speed board and we reviewed over 120 vaccines and we selected six, two vector vaccines, one was AstraZeneca, one was J&J, two mRNA vaccines, Moderna and Pfizer, and two protein vaccines, Novavax and a company that was GSK and Sophie Pasteur together. [00:58:23] Five of those six vaccines made it over the goal line. The J&J, I mean the GlaxoSmithKline, Sanofi didn't make it over the goal line. They had some issues in the way they designed the trial. [Del Bigtree] But there were some- I just think that it was the design of the trial and not necessarily the way you said that I find kind of funny. [Robert Redfield] Like if they had designed a better trial, well, they could have because I think they had trouble in the immunogenicity in older adults, which we know older adults have immunogenicity problems in general. And the way they designed it, they were over here. [00:59:03] [Del Bigtree] But in a way, they should do it for older adults because that's the group that we're really trying- Well, I mean, look, when we look at the trials for Pfizer and Moderna, I mean, most of the high-risk groups aren't in the trial. Right. [Robert Redfield] And so GSK was more the way we would like to see it, okay? They put their high-risk groups in there. And they didn't get over the goal line because their immunogenicity was there. But let me- What I was going to say is when you- Debbie Birx and I were on the board and we voted for the protein vaccines to be included. And we didn't win. The committee accepted the two vector and the two mRNA. And part of the reason we didn't win is everyone didn't think it was sexy enough, all right? The mRNA was new, it was sexy. [01:00:00] [Del Bigtree] The vector- Does the protein have the same ability? mRNA seems to be offering a real opportunity to vaccine makers in that, I mean, suddenly we can make a vaccine almost overnight. I mean, you just... Does the protein vaccine have the ability to ramp up as quickly? [Robert Redfield] It's a little longer. However, the reason Birx and I were big advocates of the protein vaccine, we both did vaccine research. He worked for me for a number of years in the army, is we saw that this was a vaccine that needed to go global. And the ability to manufacture protein vaccines was simple. It was straightforward. It was technology we've used for over 50 years. We know it works. And it's going to be cheap. And I could make a plan to make this vaccine in Nairobi or anywhere I want to. And you know that the mRNA vaccines have been trying to have a plan in Kenya and in South Africa, and they've all busted, right? [01:01:00] The mRNA vaccines, you need freezers at 100- What happened to the freezers? You need freezers 180 degrees, minus 80. My vaccine, you don't need it. You can put it in the back of your car. So I wanted the protein vaccines. We lost, largely because there was a pretty heavy bias by other people in the room that if it wasn't new, it couldn't be valuable. Birx and I felt this is 50-year technology, let's go with it. And so you raise a good point. At what point does new platform technology get widely positioned? Because for example, with the mRNA vaccines, there's issue about what I've talked about, prolonged production. We don't know if this mRNA gets somehow stabilized in mitochondria or somewhere in cytoplasm. There's also concerns that have been raised about other nucleic acid that may be in those vaccines that is active. [01:02:02]”
“You've heard the Europeans are doing a lot of that right now. So I do think, you know, it's not unreasonable to have some type of pause around introducing new platform technology into humans. Clearly, as CDC director, having the mRNA technology available to me was important. Because when I was down there, one of the reasons I became CDC director, I had a premonition that we were going to have a respiratory pandemic in the world. And I actually thought it's going to be bird flu. I didn't propose it was going to be coronavirus. And I still think we're at big risk for bird flu. And the beautiful thing about the older technology was it was going to take me six to 18 months to get a vaccine. Whereas with the mRNA technology, it literally could happen within 30 to 60 days. [Del Bigtree] mRNA Technology and Speed I mean, that to me is what makes this, I mean, you see an incentive. You see an incentive around this technology. [01:03:00] It was having mRNA, I'm talking about, was having what appeared to be really difficult times in the animal trials. Moderna had been working on it some time. The animals were showing increased infection. Some of what I think we may be seeing, which is net, you know, reverse efficacy. You had animals that seem to be having problems with the antibodies, you know, causing disease. But whatever the case, it just seems like warp speed, you know, understood we're in a pandemic, we need to get something out, but to rush a brand new technology. And as you're pointing out, there are still so many questions about what that thing is doing. [Robert Redfield] When we did bring it out, remember though, we did bring it out at that time as an emergency authorization. And, you know, I argued, I didn't win the ballgame. Once we had protein vaccine that could do the same thing, I would have liked to see us move to the protein vaccine. [01:04:03] All right. I'm still going to argue that we should move to the protein vaccine. You know, hopefully, Marty, we'll take a good look at this. And Kennedy, we'll take a good look at this and just say, let's objectively review what we know. I am not excited about what I've heard, and I don't know this for a fact, but I've seen in the news, the request that this data not be released until 2026, you know, the safety data from the FDA. I think that's wrong. It should be released immediately. Okay. And I've heard even Pfizer's even asked to keep it, you know, back even longer. [Del Bigtree] But just sort of full disclosure, my other nonprofit informed consent action network brought the lawsuit that released the Pfizer data. I brought the lawsuit that released the Moderna data. We brought the lawsuit that released the v-safe data that was the CDC's creation, the v-safe app. And have you gotten all that released? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's coming in tranches and they keep lying about how much there is. We keep thinking the data's coming. [Robert Redfield] Yeah. And I think there needs to be transparent. [01:05:01] [Del Bigtree] Transparency in Vaccine Data Absolutely. Why? I mean, why should a nonprofit have to be sealing for this information? [Robert Redfield] Well, the government should, this is a place where Marty can step in and Kennedy can step in. But I still do believe there's benefit from the COVID vaccine in protecting life for highly vulnerable individuals. That said, if it's used properly, and when I say use properly, it means you probably have to be vaccinated every three to six months. And there are some people that I respect that don't agree with me at all that think vaccinating people that many times is problematic in and of itself. Okay. But we need studies on that. But you need to study, right? You need to study. I can say that my patients, you know, that I'm still following many of them. I haven't had in my clinical practice now, I haven't had a death. All right. So I'm happy for that. It doesn't mean that what I'm doing is helping them stay alive, but we're still losing 100 to 150 people a day from COVID in the United States. [01:06:04] So people are still dying. And part of the way we can keep people alive and nobody should die from COVID is if we get them diagnosed and get them on antiviral therapy that works. That's what we should be doing. And it's disappointing to me that we still haven't positioned the antiviral side of the house to the degree that we should. [Del Bigtree] A lot of people would argue that's because this vaccine, this sort of addiction to what vaccines, mRNA technologies can do, there's a, I mean, this is a whole new frontier. You can start vaccinating for every bacteria and virus on the planet. [Robert Redfield] I think at the end of the day, Del, the mRNA technology will not be used in vaccines. Okay. Let's fast forward three years. But I do think the mRNA technology will be used in therapeutics. Well, that's where it comes from, right? I mean, but I think eventually it might provide therapeutics in a way that's better.”
“You've heard the Europeans are doing a lot of that right now. So I do think, you know, it's not unreasonable to have some type of pause around introducing new platform technology into humans. Clearly, as CDC director, having the mRNA technology available to me was important. Because when I was down there, one of the reasons I became CDC director, I had a premonition that we were going to have a respiratory pandemic in the world. And I actually thought it's going to be bird flu. I didn't propose it was going to be coronavirus. And I still think we're at big risk for bird flu. And the beautiful thing about the older technology was it was going to take me six to 18 months to get a vaccine. Whereas with the mRNA technology, it literally could happen within 30 to 60 days. [Del Bigtree] mRNA Technology and Speed I mean, that to me is what makes this, I mean, you see an incentive. You see an incentive around this technology. [01:03:00] It was having mRNA, I'm talking about, was having what appeared to be really difficult times in the animal trials. Moderna had been working on it some time. The animals were showing increased infection. Some of what I think we may be seeing, which is net, you know, reverse efficacy. You had animals that seem to be having problems with the antibodies, you know, causing disease. But whatever the case, it just seems like warp speed, you know, understood we're in a pandemic, we need to get something out, but to rush a brand new technology. And as you're pointing out, there are still so many questions about what that thing is doing. [Robert Redfield] When we did bring it out, remember though, we did bring it out at that time as an emergency authorization. And, you know, I argued, I didn't win the ballgame. Once we had protein vaccine that could do the same thing, I would have liked to see us move to the protein vaccine. [01:04:03] All right. I'm still going to argue that we should move to the protein vaccine. You know, hopefully, Marty, we'll take a good look at this. And Kennedy, we'll take a good look at this and just say, let's objectively review what we know. I am not excited about what I've heard, and I don't know this for a fact, but I've seen in the news, the request that this data not be released until 2026, you know, the safety data from the FDA. I think that's wrong. It should be released immediately. Okay. And I've heard even Pfizer's even asked to keep it, you know, back even longer. [Del Bigtree] But just sort of full disclosure, my other nonprofit informed consent action network brought the lawsuit that released the Pfizer data. I brought the lawsuit that released the Moderna data. We brought the lawsuit that released the v-safe data that was the CDC's creation, the v-safe app. And have you gotten all that released? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's coming in tranches and they keep lying about how much there is. We keep thinking the data's coming. [Robert Redfield] Yeah. And I think there needs to be transparent. [01:05:01] [Del Bigtree] Transparency in Vaccine Data Absolutely. Why? I mean, why should a nonprofit have to be sealing for this information? [Robert Redfield] Well, the government should, this is a place where Marty can step in and Kennedy can step in. But I still do believe there's benefit from the COVID vaccine in protecting life for highly vulnerable individuals. That said, if it's used properly, and when I say use properly, it means you probably have to be vaccinated every three to six months. And there are some people that I respect that don't agree with me at all that think vaccinating people that many times is problematic in and of itself. Okay. But we need studies on that. But you need to study, right? You need to study. I can say that my patients, you know, that I'm still following many of them. I haven't had in my clinical practice now, I haven't had a death. All right. So I'm happy for that. It doesn't mean that what I'm doing is helping them stay alive, but we're still losing 100 to 150 people a day from COVID in the United States. [01:06:04] So people are still dying. And part of the way we can keep people alive and nobody should die from COVID is if we get them diagnosed and get them on antiviral therapy that works. That's what we should be doing. And it's disappointing to me that we still haven't positioned the antiviral side of the house to the degree that we should. [Del Bigtree] A lot of people would argue that's because this vaccine, this sort of addiction to what vaccines, mRNA technologies can do, there's a, I mean, this is a whole new frontier. You can start vaccinating for every bacteria and virus on the planet. [Robert Redfield] I think at the end of the day, Del, the mRNA technology will not be used in vaccines. Okay. Let's fast forward three years. But I do think the mRNA technology will be used in therapeutics. Well, that's where it comes from, right? I mean, but I think eventually it might provide therapeutics in a way that's better.”
Because you can’t help your compulsion to respond to me daily 🤣
“We inserted the pseudouridine. We made it so that it will last longer. It defies some sanity, I think. So it lasts longer. And without the recognition, but lasting longer means it can bind to our receptors and last longer on our receptors that cause problems. Right. All right. So now I know that. And now I have a vaccine that is the mRNA vaccine, and I use this vaccine, help develop it.”
Im sure Redfield is an experienced guy but this is basically nonsensical in terms of the biochemistry.
And there are some people that I respect that don't agree with me at all that think vaccinating people that many times is problematic in and of itself. Okay. But we need studies on that. But you need to study, right? You need to study. I can say that my patients, you know, that I'm still following many of them. I haven't had in my clinical practice now, I haven't had a death. All right. So I'm happy for that
Wow Redfield is confirmed as a fan of endless boosters. I mean he’s really just hitting all the key points. The vaccines work. They protect against Covid. High risk people should get boosted frequently because Covid is dangerous.
Thank you sub9 - this really supports the safety and efficacy of the Covid vaccines!
Because Covid is long over for the vast, vast majority of folks, and we have the former head of the CDC advocating against the mRNA vaccines and saying they won’t stand the test of time (as a vaccine, not as a platform) while also encouraging the most at-risk folks to get the Novavax booster. Quite literally nothing left to discuss.
Because Covid is long over for the vast, vast majority of folks, and we have the former head of the CDC advocating against the mRNA vaccines and saying they won’t stand the test of time (as a vaccine, not as a platform) while also encouraging the most at-risk folks to get the Novavax booster. Quite literally nothing left to discuss.
It can’t be over. I’m still racking up kills. Not kills, really. More like I’m pulling people’s pinky toenails off. Harambe said I killed 400k people last month. Now I’m down to .00002 a day. At that rate It’ll take me 137 years to kill another whole person. I don’t think I’ll live that long.
Because Covid is long over for the vast, vast majority of folks, and we have the former head of the CDC advocating against the mRNA vaccines and saying they won’t stand the test of time (as a vaccine, not as a platform) while also encouraging the most at-risk folks to get the Novavax booster. Quite literally nothing left to discuss.
Yup thanks to the mRNA vaccine Redfield proudly helped develop.
“The vaccines that saved millions of lives won’t stand the test of time” is a self-falsifying statement.
It’s humorous that you guys are desperate to rewrite history — the vaccines worked. I never understood why that makes you so irate.
Because Covid is long over for the vast, vast majority of folks, and we have the former head of the CDC advocating against the mRNA vaccines and saying they won’t stand the test of time (as a vaccine, not as a platform) while also encouraging the most at-risk folks to get the Novavax booster. Quite literally nothing left to discuss.
People advocating against mR A vaccines is exactly why it is still talked about and should not be locked. People still deny the benefits of the vaccine or the deaths caused from COVID. As vocally as ever.
Because Covid is long over for the vast, vast majority of folks, and we have the former head of the CDC advocating against the mRNA vaccines and saying they won’t stand the test of time (as a vaccine, not as a platform) while also encouraging the most at-risk folks to get the Novavax booster. Quite literally nothing left to discuss.
People advocating against mR A vaccines is exactly why it is still talked about and should not be locked. People still deny the benefits of the vaccine or the deaths caused from COVID. As vocally as ever.
We are lucky we had visionaries like Redfield to develop and champion these vaccines even as others spread false information. Now millions of lives have been saved
People advocating against mR A vaccines is exactly why it is still talked about and should not be locked. People still deny the benefits of the vaccine or the deaths caused from COVID. As vocally as ever.
We are lucky we had visionaries like Redfield to develop and champion these vaccines even as others spread false information. Now millions of lives have been saved
It was mentioned earlier in this thread that you called Dr. Redfield an “anti-vaxxer.” Is that true?
Because Covid is long over for the vast, vast majority of folks, and we have the former head of the CDC advocating against the mRNA vaccines and saying they won’t stand the test of time (as a vaccine, not as a platform) while also encouraging the most at-risk folks to get the Novavax booster. Quite literally nothing left to discuss.
People advocating against mR A vaccines is exactly why it is still talked about and should not be locked. People still deny the benefits of the vaccine or the deaths caused from COVID. As vocally as ever.
Ok, let us be very clear… nobody is denying the benefits of vaccination, particularly in the highest risk groups, or the deaths caused by Covid. Where have you even remotely seen this on this thread recently?
Moreover, when the former head of the CDC DURING Covid and Operation Warp Speed says he will no longer use the mRNA vaccines, says the technology as a vaccine probably won’t stand the test of time, and instead promotes vaccination with Novavax, you should pay attention. That is a full 180. Did you read his interview? Likely not.
He will be proven right on the unintentional lab leak that happened in Wuhan in the fall of 2019 in the full course of time as well. Perhaps you should listen to the former director of the CDC, rather than a bunch of knuckle draggers on LRC.
