This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
Ok, I for one, do not think government data accurately captures adverse vaccine events. And, to be fair, it can’t. I have another buddy, vax-promoting, John Oliver loving, liberal pilot who recently threw an abnormal EKG reflecting some kind of conduction issue. It happened not too long after his booster. Now, can we unequivocally say that this was an adverse event? No, we cannot. And he would never push to try to find the correlation. And what I’ve all my acquaintances who have reactivated shingles or Epstein Barr? This is even in the literature that this may be happening.
As far as excess deaths, yes, I take your point. But, again, many deaths that were ascribed to “Covid” after vaccination could’ve been vaccine induced and pulled forward.
Thank you for sharing your feelings.
I still believe on the evidence, the Rasmussen poll of feelings is inconsistent with reality.
Really, is it feelings or just the power of observation? My personal observation among my friends and peers is consistent with the Rasmussen poll. But we will stick to the top notch data compiled by the highly credible and trustworthy organizations in the NIH, CDC, and FDA. With no revolving doors, incestuous grant money, and nepotism whatsoever. Just like we will always and faithfully trust the bureau of labor statistics on the employment data and the birth/death adjustment that always comes way after the fact and skews the initial data. I bet you trust USATF too as a pure organization, with 2/3rds of its funding coming from Nike.
At the end of the day, you faithfully got your three (or four) injections. I got zero. We both lived to tell about it without any ramifications whatsoever, other than maybe we got some iteration of Covid. In my case, I believe that confers broader immunity. But you will say you made the best statistical decision. I disagree based on my demographic and risk profile, but, that’s ok.
As a sanity check, the same Rasmussen poll says that 47% of respondents know someone who died of covid.
There have been about 1.2M covid deaths in the US since the start of the pandemic, so we'd expect something on the order of half this number of vaccine deaths if the polling impression reflects reality. Thus there would be something over a half million vaccine deaths which surely would show up in the population death statistics.
Where are they?
The dilemma then is one can down vote this post to show your fury or you can provide some plausible data that shows these respondent's view is consistent with objective data.
And we know with high confidence how that's going to go.
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But how do you know the data is accurately catching some deaths? For instance, I know of three people who died shortly after they received the vaccine. One from an exploratory surgery after she declined rapidly after getting her second dose. Two others from sudden heart events. Both were early 50s, very fit, no comorbidities. No abnormal EKGs or echos, and their families were stunned quite frankly. They died suddenly right after getting their vaccines. None of these would be reported as vaccine-related deaths, but good luck convincing their families or anyone who knew them. By contrast, I know of one Covid death that happened early in the pandemic in a guy who was obese and had COPD and was vented almost immediately.
The 300,000 deaths is a dumb and disingenuous number. 90% of them were in a high risk group who all should’ve been vaccinated. No argument there. The other 10% were people we could’ve saved had we broken from the orthodox hospital protocols of Remdesivir and steroids only, followed my Midozolam and morphine ventilation, among other sedation. There were fringe doctors who saved part of this unvaccinated population.
It blows my mind that parents are dumb enough to be giving their five-year old kids this new iteration of the vaccine. People are stupid. It should be obvious to all by now for most demographics. Coronaviruses mutate extremely rapidly, so much so that the new vaccine is not matched to the new strain. Paul Offit is not recommending it based on risk/reward. Are you going to sit here and try to tell me with a straight face that the vaccine didn’t help expedite this mutation?
*Clears throat*
”Google: excess deaths”
Excess deaths correlate very well with COVID cases, they don’t correlate at all with vaccine doses administered in time or space. (Well, they actually correlate a bit negatively…)
I still believe on the evidence, the Rasmussen poll of feelings is inconsistent with reality.
Really, is it feelings or just the power of observation? My personal observation among my friends and peers is consistent with the Rasmussen poll. But we will stick to the top notch data compiled by the highly credible and trustworthy organizations in the NIH, CDC, and FDA. With no revolving doors, incestuous grant money, and nepotism whatsoever. Just like we will always and faithfully trust the bureau of labor statistics on the employment data and the birth/death adjustment that always comes way after the fact and skews the initial data. I bet you trust USATF too as a pure organization, with 2/3rds of its funding coming from Nike.
At the end of the day, you faithfully got your three (or four) injections. I got zero. We both lived to tell about it without any ramifications whatsoever, other than maybe we got some iteration of Covid. In my case, I believe that confers broader immunity. But you will say you made the best statistical decision. I disagree based on my demographic and risk profile, but, that’s ok.
I mean yeah this is the crux of the issue:
Side 1: Multiple independent sources of data and clear arguments that spin those pieces together into a coherent explanation about deaths, excess deaths, and correlations with COVID.
Side 2: Anecdotes and doubt-casting on side 1. Never any positive evidence. Oh and plenty of appeals to emotion.
The 300,000 deaths is a dumb and disingenuous number.
You’d be more trustworthy if you just owned the fact that your side pushed 300k+ Americans into the grave with propaganda. Trying to pretend it didn’t happen is just weak.
We know how well the vaccine works, we know how many people died unvaccinated. We know how many of them could have been saved. It’s really straightforward math.
The 300,000 deaths is a dumb and disingenuous number.
You’d be more trustworthy if you just owned the fact that your side pushed 300k+ Americans into the grave with propaganda. Trying to pretend it didn’t happen is just weak.
We know how well the vaccine works, we know how many people died unvaccinated. We know how many of them could have been saved. It’s really straightforward math.
There are no “sides.” That’s like saying you are on side Trump or side Biden. I mean, maybe YOU are.
I never promoted high risk demographics not to get vaccinated. Quite the opposite actually. Just adding to your narcissistic disingenuousness, which is the domain of millennial fools who may be smart but lack wisdom and experience.
For those who were high risk and still chose to forego the vaccines, we had other medical tools to help mitigate the worst of the damage. They were quickly shunned from the top down orthodoxy.
The 300,000 deaths is a dumb and disingenuous number.
You’d be more trustworthy if you just owned the fact that your side pushed 300k+ Americans into the grave with propaganda. Trying to pretend it didn’t happen is just weak.
We know how well the vaccine works, we know how many people died unvaccinated. We know how many of them could have been saved. It’s really straightforward math.
I am unvaccinated (ZERO doses). Age 63.
After 1333 days of Covid madness and 1054 days of vaccine lunacy, I am alive and well and preparing for a 5K Thanksgiving Day Turkey Trot.
Also, roughly 30 percent of Americans are not fully vaccinated (we can consider the subset of these Americans similar to the breed of rabid antivaxxers we see on good ol' letsrun to make up a significant proportion.)
I still believe on the evidence, the Rasmussen poll of feelings is inconsistent with reality.
Really, is it feelings or just the power of observation? My personal observation among my friends and peers is consistent with the Rasmussen poll. But we will stick to the top notch data compiled by the highly credible and trustworthy organizations in the NIH, CDC, and FDA. With no revolving doors, incestuous grant money, and nepotism whatsoever. Just like we will always and faithfully trust the bureau of labor statistics on the employment data and the birth/death adjustment that always comes way after the fact and skews the initial data. I bet you trust USATF too as a pure organization, with 2/3rds of its funding coming from Nike.
At the end of the day, you faithfully got your three (or four) injections. I got zero. We both lived to tell about it without any ramifications whatsoever, other than maybe we got some iteration of Covid. In my case, I believe that confers broader immunity. But you will say you made the best statistical decision. I disagree based on my demographic and risk profile, but, that’s ok.
Nothing says "dispassionate truth teller" quite like conspiracy ideation and ad hominems.
You’d be more trustworthy if you just owned the fact that your side pushed 300k+ Americans into the grave with propaganda. Trying to pretend it didn’t happen is just weak.
We know how well the vaccine works, we know how many people died unvaccinated. We know how many of them could have been saved. It’s really straightforward math.
I am unvaccinated (ZERO doses). Age 63.
After 1333 days of Covid madness and 1054 days of vaccine lunacy, I am alive and well and preparing for a 5K Thanksgiving Day Turkey Trot.
Also, roughly 30 percent of Americans are not fully vaccinated (we can consider the subset of these Americans similar to the breed of rabid antivaxxers we see on good ol' letsrun to make up a significant proportion.)
Actually only 7% of Americans have taken the new booster.
Also, roughly 30 percent of Americans are not fully vaccinated (we can consider the subset of these Americans similar to the breed of rabid antivaxxers we see on good ol' letsrun to make up a significant proportion.)
Actually only 7% of Americans have taken the new booster.