This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
“No we know that the vaccines work well enough that the virus stops with every vaccinated person… The virus does not infect them…It cannot use a vaccinated person as a host to get more people.” pic.twitter.com/kwsDIPYl2E
Nearly a quarter of Americans believe someone they know died from COVID-19 vaccine side effects, and even more say they might be willing to become plaintiffs in a class-action lawsuit against vaccine makers.
As a sanity check, the same Rasmussen poll says that 47% of respondents know someone who died of covid.
There have been about 1.2M covid deaths in the US since the start of the pandemic, so we'd expect something on the order of half this number of vaccine deaths if the polling impression reflects reality. Thus there would be something over a half million vaccine deaths which surely would show up in the population death statistics.
Where are they?
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As a sanity check, the same Rasmussen poll says that 47% of respondents know someone who died of covid.
There have been about 1.2M covid deaths in the US since the start of the pandemic, so we'd expect something on the order of half this number of vaccine deaths if the polling impression reflects reality. Thus there would be something over a half million vaccine deaths which surely would show up in the population death statistics.
Where are they?
The dilemma then is one can down vote this post to show your fury or you can provide some plausible data that shows these respondent's view is consistent with objective data.
And we know with high confidence how that's going to go.
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But how do you know the data is accurately catching some deaths? For instance, I know of three people who died shortly after they received the vaccine. One from an exploratory surgery after she declined rapidly after getting her second dose. Two others from sudden heart events. Both were early 50s, very fit, no comorbidities. No abnormal EKGs or echos, and their families were stunned quite frankly. They died suddenly right after getting their vaccines. None of these would be reported as vaccine-related deaths, but good luck convincing their families or anyone who knew them. By contrast, I know of one Covid death that happened early in the pandemic in a guy who was obese and had COPD and was vented almost immediately.
The 300,000 deaths is a dumb and disingenuous number. 90% of them were in a high risk group who all should’ve been vaccinated. No argument there. The other 10% were people we could’ve saved had we broken from the orthodox hospital protocols of Remdesivir and steroids only, followed my Midozolam and morphine ventilation, among other sedation. There were fringe doctors who saved part of this unvaccinated population.
It blows my mind that parents are dumb enough to be giving their five-year old kids this new iteration of the vaccine. People are stupid. It should be obvious to all by now for most demographics. Coronaviruses mutate extremely rapidly, so much so that the new vaccine is not matched to the new strain. Paul Offit is not recommending it based on risk/reward. Are you going to sit here and try to tell me with a straight face that the vaccine didn’t help expedite this mutation?
As a sanity check, the same Rasmussen poll says that 47% of respondents know someone who died of covid.
There have been about 1.2M covid deaths in the US since the start of the pandemic, so we'd expect something on the order of half this number of vaccine deaths if the polling impression reflects reality. Thus there would be something over a half million vaccine deaths which surely would show up in the population death statistics.
Where are they?
The dilemma then is one can down vote this post to show your fury or you can provide some plausible data that shows these respondent's view is consistent with objective data.
And we know with high confidence how that's going to go.
Down vote arrow is here:
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But how do you know the data is accurately catching some deaths? . . .
By the argument above, what you call "some deaths" is on the order of a half million deaths. Even if that many deaths were miscategorized one would expect them to show up as a bump in the excess death stats and/or in death by cause stats. I've looked at this stuff (and presented some of this the thread) and I'm not seeing it.
Could there be adverse results from vaccination significantly above what is being reported by the CDC? Certainly, though I haven't seen credible data supporting this. Could there be adverse results from vaccination on an order consistent with the subject Rassmussen poll. Almost certainly not.
Ok, I for one, do not think government data accurately captures adverse vaccine events. And, to be fair, it can’t. I have another buddy, vax-promoting, John Oliver loving, liberal pilot who recently threw an abnormal EKG reflecting some kind of conduction issue. It happened not too long after his booster. Now, can we unequivocally say that this was an adverse event? No, we cannot. And he would never push to try to find the correlation. And what I’ve all my acquaintances who have reactivated shingles or Epstein Barr? This is even in the literature that this may be happening.
As far as excess deaths, yes, I take your point. But, again, many deaths that were ascribed to “Covid” after vaccination could’ve been vaccine induced and pulled forward.
Ok, I for one, do not think government data accurately captures adverse vaccine events. And, to be fair, it can’t. I have another buddy, vax-promoting, John Oliver loving, liberal pilot who recently threw an abnormal EKG reflecting some kind of conduction issue. It happened not too long after his booster. Now, can we unequivocally say that this was an adverse event? No, we cannot. And he would never push to try to find the correlation. And what I’ve all my acquaintances who have reactivated shingles or Epstein Barr? This is even in the literature that this may be happening.
As far as excess deaths, yes, I take your point. But, again, many deaths that were ascribed to “Covid” after vaccination could’ve been vaccine induced and pulled forward.
Thank you for sharing your feelings.
I still believe on the evidence, the Rasmussen poll of feelings is inconsistent with reality.