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Yes the vaccines work so well nobody really needs them anymore. All the “endless shots” babblers are wrong, will they ever admit it?
If you’ll admit that Omicron forced endemicity among vaccinated and unvaccinated, convalescent alike, then I’ll agree with you that all of those “endless shot” babblers are wrong.
Yeah, and its effects were greatly mitigated by widespread vaccination. All you’re saying is “Omicron infected a lot of people” which is true.
As they should. Glad we can agree. This was never not the case.
Why should they if, as you posted, they accentuate the risk of long term autoimmune conditions?
I’m talking about the riskiest patients. It’s a trade off. But, you make a good point.
For example, I have a really good friend who is a kidney transplant patient. She was actually required to get the vaccine to do her dialysis treatments. But every time she got injected, she felt like death. Had multiple mono and shingles reactivations, despite having the shingles vaccine. If I were her, I would get no more boosters. But it’s her bodily autonomy, not mine.
If you’ll admit that Omicron forced endemicity among vaccinated and unvaccinated, convalescent alike, then I’ll agree with you that all of those “endless shot” babblers are wrong.
Yeah, and its effects were greatly mitigated by widespread vaccination. All you’re saying is “Omicron infected a lot of people” which is true.
Nope, I’m saying Omicron infected vaccinated and unvaccinated convalescent alike, and conferred broad and durable immunity. Game, set, match.
Yeah bro, cocktails that magically gain efficacy but each ingredient is useless are exceedingly rare (or maybe nonexistent). It’s classic “alternative” medicine and supplement spam tactics.
Making such a claim requires actual evidence. Only one of your drugs listed had any effect on length of illness or hospitalization and was VERY SMALL (aside from dexamethasone… which now is indicated in specific cases!)
So when Donald Trump was dying with Covid in October 2020 before the vaccine was available, Walter Reed gave him a cocktail including Dexamethasone, Regeneron monoclonal ABs, Remdesivir, zinc, vitamin D, aspirin, Famotidine, and melatonin. Wth, is Walter Reed just a bunch of morons letting the POTUS take an unproven cocktail? Did it not work? Were they trying to kill him off to own the cons?
Zinc is a powerful RNA polymerase inhibitor. You know this. Any allopathic physician could tell you this. There is a lot of research supporting this. But, extracellular zinc in the context of Covid is useless. Zinc needs a powerful ionophore to get it in the cell as a bullet needs a gun. So, it’s simply a matter of what ionophore is the best to get the job done. Two things that by themselves may be useless and bio-unavailable, true.
Trump was taking that BS well before he ended up in Walter reed. Sorry that doctors make decisions without evidence too. Unlikely that cocktail will harm you… but only think actually doing anything are the antibodies. lol. Melatonin - it’s just listing what he’s taken in the last 30 days or something.
Think about why a metal ion has never been approved drug (except lithium). Do you know the concentrations necessary to inhibit RNA pols in vitro? In tissue culture? How does that compare to the free and bound zinc pool in human cells?
This is why just a little biochemistry is dangerous.
Why should they if, as you posted, they accentuate the risk of long term autoimmune conditions?
I’m talking about the riskiest patients. It’s a trade off. But, you make a good point.
For example, I have a really good friend who is a kidney transplant patient. She was actually required to get the vaccine to do her dialysis treatments. But every time she got injected, she felt like death. Had multiple mono and shingles reactivations, despite having the shingles vaccine. If I were her, I would get no more boosters. But it’s her bodily autonomy, not mine.
“If I were her, I would get no more boosters.”
Did you not just say that, as an at risk individual, she should get boosted?
“At risk people are still getting boosted. As they should. Glad we can agree. This was never not the case.”
I’m talking about the riskiest patients. It’s a trade off. But, you make a good point.
For example, I have a really good friend who is a kidney transplant patient. She was actually required to get the vaccine to do her dialysis treatments. But every time she got injected, she felt like death. Had multiple mono and shingles reactivations, despite having the shingles vaccine. If I were her, I would get no more boosters. But it’s her bodily autonomy, not mine.
“If I were her, I would get no more boosters.”
Did you not just say that, as an at risk individual, she should get boosted?
“At risk people are still getting boosted. As they should. Glad we can agree. This was never not the case.”
But it reactivated her shingles multiple times!! I promise bro 😡😡😡
Nope, I’m saying Omicron infected vaccinated and unvaccinated convalescent alike, and conferred broad and durable immunity. Game, set, match.
Long live the troll and King of the apes.
At the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives and long term damage in the unvaccinated. Excellent plan moving forward!
Nope. Long term damage from just being unvaccinated and convalescent is still unproven as is the effect of having both infection and multiple iterations of the vaccine. Oh, and those very high risk, unvaccinated should’ve been vaccinated. That never wasn’t the plan.
I’m talking about the riskiest patients. It’s a trade off. But, you make a good point.
For example, I have a really good friend who is a kidney transplant patient. She was actually required to get the vaccine to do her dialysis treatments. But every time she got injected, she felt like death. Had multiple mono and shingles reactivations, despite having the shingles vaccine. If I were her, I would get no more boosters. But it’s her bodily autonomy, not mine.
“If I were her, I would get no more boosters.”
Did you not just say that, as an at risk individual, she should get boosted?
“At risk people are still getting boosted. As they should. Glad we can agree. This was never not the case.”
I was trying to make a point. The new boosters are really only aimed at the highest risk patients. It’s an individual decision at that point. I’ve seen too many cases of what appears to be immunosuppression or immune tolerance in my own group of people, so I would say it’s only the highest risk patients.
I’m not sure where a kidney transplant patient fits in there, as the treatment itself is immunosuppressive.
Yes the vaccines work so well nobody really needs them anymore. All the “endless shots” babblers are wrong, will they ever admit it?
Vaccines didn’t achieve this alone. Omicron did what the shots alone couldn’t. You are the one who has been pushing boosters (along with the CDC) for populations that don’t benefit from them.
Vaccines alone prevented Omicron from killing many more people than it could have.
“Omicron did what the shots alone couldn’t” is true if you mean “killing Americans.”
At the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives and long term damage in the unvaccinated. Excellent plan moving forward!
Nope. Long term damage from just being unvaccinated and convalescent is still unproven as is the effect of having both infection and multiple iterations of the vaccine. Oh, and those very high risk, unvaccinated should’ve been vaccinated. That never wasn’t the plan.
Multiple iterations of the vaccine are magically going to be worse than multiple systemic viral infections.
Yeah bro, cocktails that magically gain efficacy but each ingredient is useless are exceedingly rare (or maybe nonexistent). It’s classic “alternative” medicine and supplement spam tactics.
Making such a claim requires actual evidence. Only one of your drugs listed had any effect on length of illness or hospitalization and was VERY SMALL (aside from dexamethasone… which now is indicated in specific cases!)
So when Donald Trump was dying with Covid in October 2020 before the vaccine was available, Walter Reed gave him a cocktail including Dexamethasone, Regeneron monoclonal ABs, Remdesivir, zinc, vitamin D, aspirin, Famotidine, and melatonin. Wth, is Walter Reed just a bunch of morons letting the POTUS take an unproven cocktail? Did it not work? Were they trying to kill him off to own the cons?
Zinc is a powerful RNA polymerase inhibitor. You know this. Any allopathic physician could tell you this. There is a lot of research supporting this. But, extracellular zinc in the context of Covid is useless. Zinc needs a powerful ionophore to get it in the cell as a bullet needs a gun. So, it’s simply a matter of what ionophore is the best to get the job done. Two things that by themselves may be useless and bio-unavailable, true.
Don’t forget the saline and citrate in the formulation too, if we’re just going to list everything. Those are just as likely to have worked as excess Vitamin D
Dexamethasone, mabs, and remdesivir worked. The rest was superfluous.
Did you not just say that, as an at risk individual, she should get boosted?
“At risk people are still getting boosted. As they should. Glad we can agree. This was never not the case.”
I was trying to make a point. The new boosters are really only aimed at the highest risk patients. It’s an individual decision at that point. I’ve seen too many cases of what appears to be immunosuppression or immune tolerance in my own group of people, so I would say it’s only the highest risk patients.
I’m not sure where a kidney transplant patient fits in there, as the treatment itself is immunosuppressive.
Frankly, I don’t see what point you are making by saying that high risk individuals should get boosted and then saying a high risk friend of yours should not get boosted in nearly subsequent posts. Double talk isn’t helpful.
So when Donald Trump was dying with Covid in October 2020 before the vaccine was available, Walter Reed gave him a cocktail including Dexamethasone, Regeneron monoclonal ABs, Remdesivir, zinc, vitamin D, aspirin, Famotidine, and melatonin. Wth, is Walter Reed just a bunch of morons letting the POTUS take an unproven cocktail? Did it not work? Were they trying to kill him off to own the cons?
Zinc is a powerful RNA polymerase inhibitor. You know this. Any allopathic physician could tell you this. There is a lot of research supporting this. But, extracellular zinc in the context of Covid is useless. Zinc needs a powerful ionophore to get it in the cell as a bullet needs a gun. So, it’s simply a matter of what ionophore is the best to get the job done. Two things that by themselves may be useless and bio-unavailable, true.
Don’t forget the saline and citrate in the formulation too, if we’re just going to list everything. Those are just as likely to have worked as excess Vitamin D
Dexamethasone, mabs, and remdesivir worked. The rest was superfluous.
You, of course, were a doctor tasked with taking care of Covid patients before the vaccine was available, and attempting anything that might keep them out of the hospital and mitigate the course of illness? Oh wait, you weren’t? You’re just a millenial, serial criticizer of actual trained allopathic physicians who were trying to do this very thing and who succeeded? Bravo man. You have such courage.
Dexamethasone and mAbs worked. You’re right. Remdesivir? Not so much. As 2600bro suggested, Walter Reed had no control over Trump taking hydroxychloroquine and oleander extract prior to his admission. But they definitely recommended everything else based on the information available at the time.