George Floyd / Chauvin trial starts monday

trashcan wrote:

The point is that even if you have never uttered a racial slur, subconscious racial bias affects your behavior. That sort of bias produces behavior which, on an individual basis, usually cannot be conclusively proven to be influenced by race, but in the aggregate, it produces a strong effect.

“I connected with that job candidate”. “That person was behaving suspiciously” “my instincts told me not to trust him”

Subconscious, sure, usually, but you can expect that bias is part of the equation when someone utters something akin to the phrases above.

I have referred several times to studies, including here in Australia which has more equality, that show explicitly how even your surname alone (suspicion of ethnicity) , and nothing else in CV, gives you a interview call up rate as low as 30-35%, depending of bias against specific ethnicity, versus white anglo saxon surnames.

And none of these HR people or managers doing this recruitment would say they are racist, nor would you even think they are racist. But it exists.

It is 'human nature', but it should be overcome, which cannot be done without admission of existence

Did we have a thread for the Mohammed Noor trial?

BLM!! wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Normal people: cops can do their job and not kill people

Bootlickers: if cops can't kill people with reckless abandon they can't do their job

Carry on!

You're calling people bootlickers now, after worshipping government employee Fauci for months?! Surely you must see the irony here?

as I said, whataboutism - from Chauvin to Fauci!! 1/10 for style points

back to your troll hole, chumpo and maybe mom will throw down a half cooked dinner if you clean your room

I'm honestly surprised that they convicted him on all three charges. I'm looking forward to reading the full court transcript. The appeal will most likely go nowhere.

Biden should have kept his nose out of it (I voted for him, btw). And no, federal legislation should not be named after George Floyd. It would be nothing more than another embarrassing virtue signal.

Pelosi's post verdict comments, wow.

“Thank you, George Floyd,” Pelosi said, “for sacrificing your life for justice..."

She continued: “For being there to call out to your mom—how heartbreaking was that?—to call out for your mom, ‘I can’t breathe.’ But because of you and because of thousands, millions of people around the world, who came out for justice, your name will always be synonymous [with justice].”

What a buffoon.

Gibstar wrote:

I suppose the verdict shows the American justice system is not institutionally racist. The death of a man, who has been reported as a career criminal, a violent criminal, a drug addict, results in a prosecution and a guilty verdict in a court of law.

I remember people coming on here and saying "I guess racism does not exist" after Obama won. It was lame then and lame now. Improvement starts within yourself.

Harambe wrote:

BLM!! wrote:

You're calling people bootlickers now, after worshipping government employee Fauci for months?! Surely you must see the irony here?

Ah yes, "worshiping" public health experts with decades of expertise.

I agreed with many of their decisions because they were backed by evidence (and understanding of non-linear growth -- something LRC is missing). Many were not as justifiable!

Thinking for yourself is important. Bootlickers will never do that though, they are a lost cause, I'm afraid.

Wimpy liberals calling others bootlickers while continually begging politicians to strip them of rights is hilarious.

huh??? wrote:

Gibstar wrote:

I suppose the verdict shows the American justice system is not institutionally racist. The death of a man, who has been reported as a career criminal, a violent criminal, a drug addict, results in a prosecution and a guilty verdict in a court of law.

I remember people coming on here and saying "I guess racism does not exist" after Obama won. It was lame then and lame now. Improvement starts within yourself.

What does no "systemic racism" look like to you then?

You really don’t understand the logical problem with saying that one anecdote of X not existing does not mean that X unequivocally does not exist?

It didn’t rain in my city today so I guess that puts to bed that rain exists.

A Cop is not Prosecutor,Judge or Jury.

A Cop has the right to kill in defense of his own life,

The Video clearly shows Chauvin was never at any moment in danger of bodily harm or losing his life.

This was clear case of conscience less disregard for human life and arrogance at playing God.

As Matt Dillon always said,you can't break the law to enforce the law.

If you can't make arrests without killing,you are not cut out to be a Cop.Get another Job !

I am Sam wrote:

trashcan wrote:

The point is that even if you have never uttered a racial slur, subconscious racial bias affects your behavior. That sort of bias produces behavior which, on an individual basis, usually cannot be conclusively proven to be influenced by race, but in the aggregate, it produces a strong effect.

And none of these HR people or managers doing this recruitment would say they are racist, nor would you even think they are racist. But it exists.

It is 'human nature', but it should be overcome, which cannot be done without admission of existence

I don't really disagree with any of this, but it's no different than all our other inherent biases for other physical traits: age, gender, height, hair color, voice, weight, clothing style.... Something to be aware of, something to try and avoid, but nothing sinister.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Not all areas are the same wrote:

Armstronglivs, what do you think the correct verdict would be and why? Please base it on facts from the case, not your emotional rantings.

The facts are that it was a homicide, and the prosecution has proven that over the purely fanciful conjecture by the defence.

Well, there we go.

yawn wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

The facts are that it was a homicide, and the prosecution has proven that over the purely fanciful conjecture by the defence.

The facts are you didn’t even watch the trial and made up your mind from the start. Look up the definition of homicide when it is used in medical findings. It doesn’t mean what you think it does.

You have never provided a single piece of evidence to support your claims. All you do is repeat “9.29” and “racist. “

You have no defense against the facts that’s there was no damage to Floyd’s neck, he was breathing just fine despite complaints about breathing prior to being restrained, and the state’s best witness is a hack who used screen shots from a video to tell us what Floyd had for lunch.

This is fun. Enjoy the verdict.

Not all areas are the same wrote:

not surprised wrote:

Well summarized. This should be an easy case to try. But it's naturally been politicized and the reTrumplican party has made it ok for every racist and biggot to share their opinion. The man murdered Floyd.

Unfortunately he didn't comply when it mattered most - when he was to sit in the car and go to jail! Did you miss that part?

Yet here we are, with Chauvin being convicted on all 3 charges.

Cancun Cruz wrote:

And none of these HR people or managers doing this recruitment would say they are racist, nor would you even think they are racist. But it exists.

It is 'human nature', but it should be overcome, which cannot be done without admission of existence

I don't really disagree with any of this, but it's no different than all our other inherent biases for other physical traits: age, gender, height, hair color, voice, weight, clothing style.... Something to be aware of, something to try and avoid, but nothing sinister.[/quote]

Not sinister?

None of those biases are ok, unless relevant to the selection, but if you are not selecting someone for an interview, purely on a suspicion of ethnicity based on surname- you haven't even seen the person to make a choice- then it is sub conscious racism that comes from your upbringing, the lingering racism of past in your culture etc.

I'll make a specific example. Remember that these racial biases were in fact law, or de facto law, in the not too distant past, in most post colonial countries.

In one of them, they had a system called Apartheid, but others weren't that different, except the colonials had the numbers over the natives, so no need for draconian legislation.

True story from around 1982, a young graduate with the surname Wells, was as black as they come. Obviously pre social media particularly, the assumption was that he was English and he picked up interviews at a disproportionate level to peers who were better/more experienced.

Except, he didn't progress after interview, most of them cut short.

This was a funny guy too, and he used to hilariously relate the one instance where he rang the door bell at the bottom of a staircase, asked for his host, "Its xxx Wells here". When the receptionist saw his face in the CCTV, she suddenly changed tune, "sorry , we think there has been a mistake".

These biases may have been legally outlawed, but the sub conscious bias built up over generations of parenting doesn't disappear in one or two generations.

The study in Australia picks that up, because the interview call up rate correlated with the 'acceptability and assimilation' and length of time the ethnicity has been present in Australia, i.e. eastern Europeans had about a 70% call up and Africans on other scale about 30% (vs anglo = 100%). Except for aborigines though :-(

It was really an open and shut case for involuntary manslaughter. The other two charges should be appealed and thrown out.

Regardless of a perpetrator's level of cooperation you can't use deadly force unless you feel your life is in danger.

Regardless of a perpetrator's health you can't do something that is negligent in regards to that person's health.

If the perp is having a hard time breathing because of poor health you don't place your knee on his neck. I am also pretty certain his academy training didn't involve knees on the neck restraint.

Alan

Runningart2004 wrote:

If the perp is having a hard time breathing because of poor health you don't place your knee on his neck.

The perp is the one who is in jail right now and was convicted yesterday.

Precious Roy wrote:

I know a cop. His biggest fear is that he will get caught up in a use of force incident and end up in jail. When cops go to jail, they have to serve all their time in solitary because prisoners find out when a cop goes to jail and try to kill him.

But all I see on cable news is how we are constantly sending innocent people to prison. The system is rigged according to race. They are all such fine, upstanding people. Would never hurt a fly let alone another human being. The cop should feel perfectly safe. After all, he would be surrounded by "heroes" like George Floyd, Duante Wright, and Michael Brown. Who wouldn't feel safe when surrounded by national heroes?

Armstronglivs wrote:

yawn wrote:

The facts are you didn’t even watch the trial and made up your mind from the start. Look up the definition of homicide when it is used in medical findings. It doesn’t mean what you think it does.

You have never provided a single piece of evidence to support your claims. All you do is repeat “9.29” and “racist. “

You have no defense against the facts that’s there was no damage to Floyd’s neck, he was breathing just fine despite complaints about breathing prior to being restrained, and the state’s best witness is a hack who used screen shots from a video to tell us what Floyd had for lunch.

This is fun. Enjoy the verdict.

Enjoy your miserable life trolling on message boards.