German Professor of Medicine Sucharit Bhakdi lays out Coronavirus hysteria in simple terms

That must be quite a view you have from your kitchen window. Survey the whole world.

Yes, jamin is fighting the healthcare heroes at every step; again with an agenda that ONE German doctor had an opinion (now hopelessly out of date and untrue), while the German nation sets a fine example, doing everything that apparently jamin does not want USA to do?

From a Jamin post on page 5 of this thread:

Correct. People are suffering excruciating pain and death from the 99.9999% of medical complications which aren't COVID-19, while doctors sit idle due to government mandate. The local hospital is a ghost town, besides a small corner reserved for COVID-19 patients, and administrative staff and medical professionals have been getting laid off left and right.

Portland Hobby Jogger wrote:

From a Jamin post on page 5 of this thread:

Correct. People are suffering excruciating pain and death from the 99.9999% of medical complications which aren't COVID-19, while doctors sit idle due to government mandate. The local hospital is a ghost town, besides a small corner reserved for COVID-19 patients, and administrative staff and medical professionals have been getting laid off left and right.

Gee, that sounds like the very kind of hysteria that Jamin so often accuses others of.

Hey, this is getting old. One might wonder if we consider the source going forward and budget our time accordingly. Shame.

seattle prattle wrote:

On the positive side, if you examine the last two graphs, their circumstance is clearly improving. That is great news, though the number of daily deaths is shocking and nothing to be complacent about.

What is the number of daily deaths over and above the numbers usually expected?

seattle prattle wrote:

And by the way, Jamin, death toll in Germany yesterday was already 82. Quite a bit more than the outdated article you posted claiming there would be 30 per day on a 100 day average.

And it is only getting started in Germany. They are described as 18 days behind Italy, and Italy is reporting 889 deaths yesterday.

The numbers of the article you sighted are based on questionable numbers and you need to revise your assertions now that that has come to light.

The latest European monitor on excess mortality in Europe states that there is no excess mortality in Europe so far this year.

Reality and Truth wrote:

The latest European monitor on excess mortality in Europe states that there is no excess mortality in Europe so far this year.

Except the explicitly go out of their way to say specifically that their data absolutely does not say that. Like literally they say hey this is delayed and some impacts are regional so they may not be immediately observable but that does not mean they did not occur... there’s a red bar of text with a whole warning and everything. Almost like they were trying to prepare for idiots to not understand data. But you scholars out-dumbed their lowest expectations! Kudos!

Another Stanford professor, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, debunks many arguments made by the doomers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UO3Wd5urg0

Literally, this is the dumbest most already proven wrong thing you posted. I read their ‘article’ and completely gave up at the point they were claiming a roughly .01% fatality rate... you do realize that Italy and Spain are already at twice that with hundreds more people dying every day?

How do you find this stuff? Why do you so completely believe it without any critical evaluation? I honestly started watching it and feared I’d have to sit through 32 minutes of trash to hear and evaluate what they were saying. Within minutes it was so laughably absurd I couldn’t even continue. The whole basis of their argument had barely the faintest whisper of connection to reality.

It is ugly but coronavirus deaths rose close to 25% today in the U.S. to 3889 and at that rate in just three weeks, there would be over 400,000 deaths. We are not exactly just about to wrap this up. There is no way we don't get over 100,000 and probably a long way past this, especially if this comes back for a second wave in the fall. But the 21 day projection says we will go way past 100,000.

We still get to over 73,000 in 3 weeks with only a 15% growth per day. Two months out, when we may have a handle on this, we would be talking about a minimum of 184,000 dead with conservative assumptions of, say, 20% growth for 10 days, 10% for 10 days, 5-6% for 10 days, and then 2% for 30 days.

he is wrong though wrote:

Literally, this is the dumbest most already proven wrong thing you posted. I read their ‘article’ and completely gave up at the point they were claiming a roughly .01% fatality rate... you do realize that Italy and Spain are already at twice that with hundreds more people dying every day?

How do you find this stuff? Why do you so completely believe it without any critical evaluation? I honestly started watching it and feared I’d have to sit through 32 minutes of trash to hear and evaluate what they were saying. Within minutes it was so laughably absurd I couldn’t even continue. The whole basis of their argument had barely the faintest whisper of connection to reality.

I seriously believe jamin just googles this crap up and doesn't watch it beyond a few seconds, throws it out and - this is the important part - sits back and laughs his ass off at the thought of some chumps wading through it.

Here's my conclusion, and i will have no qualms about saying it at any situation henceforward: Jamin's referenced links and articles are uniformly garbage and diminish any intrinsic value his views might otherwise have. If you want to waste your time sorting through garbage, have at it. I frankly have better ways to spend my time, and pity anyone the would give him the benefit of the doubt.

FWIW, i would be happy to be proven wrong, but that's not something I am willing to invest any more time on.

zxcvzcxv wrote:

It is ugly but coronavirus deaths rose close to 25% today in the U.S. to 3889

No, they did not. They'd have had to be at less than 3300 at the start of the day, and they weren't. Not that there's any basis for assuming a sustained growth rate that high. The pattern demonstrated all over the world is bell curves.

Another thing you anonymous alarmists keep pointedly ignoring is that these "death counts" being piled up are of questionable reliability. It was revealed conclusively some time ago that the Italians were not bothering to figure out who actually died of the virus, and who happened to have the virus when they died of something else. Co-morbidity was present in 99% of their registered deaths. Have you done your due diligence and certified every US case to be actually caused by COVID-19. Don't answer, rhetorical, of course you haven't. But that won't stop you from insisting on what you want to believe.

The real question is why you want to believe it.

Bad news. Numbers rolled over for Germany for today and trends reversed. Number of new cases is rising again after a few days of seeing declines, and the same is true of daily deaths. I think it was 130 deaths today, i am very sad to say.

The U.S. likewise experiencing large increases today.

Thanks, my brother

seattle prattle wrote:

Bad news. Numbers rolled over for Germany for today and trends reversed. Number of new cases is rising again after a few days of seeing declines, and the same is true of daily deaths. I think it was 130 deaths today, i am very sad to say.

No you aren't. You like any number that supports your narrative of fear.

I think jamin is doing an excellent job of illustrating the sheer ignorance of the average denier, and i applaud him for that.

+1

Richard Epstein, a conservative legal scholar at Hoover, led the coronoavirus denier charge and heavily influenced the White House's original do nothing response to the coronavirus. Epstein got shredded in the media and thoroughly exposed for his crappy attempt at arm chair virology. Of course, the Hoover Institute isn't backing down and is putting up anyone who they can find with a contrarian position to try to keep their anti-lockdown fire burning. And the approach is still completely dishonest. They are just seizing on recent data showing that there are a lot of asymptomatic cases out there that are not getting picked up by testing data. That would mean that the mortality rate is lower. But it also means that the virus is spreading much farther and wider than we know, meaning that the measures to prevent spread may not be strong enough and we may have a much wider outbreak than any flu.

And it is really fun to watch the conservatives driving by hospitals to show empty parking lots as evidence of a corona virus hoax. Someone did that on our neighborhood message board. Then a doctor at the hospital who lives in the neighborhood responded, noting that all elective procedures at the hospital have been cancelled and no visitors are allowed because part of the hospital is treating coronavirus victims.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-contrarian-coronavirus-theory-that-informed-the-trump-administration